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Post by phillw48 on Jan 22, 2016 19:40:42 GMT
New locomotives for Crossrail are being tested. >>
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Post by DWS on Jan 23, 2016 10:27:39 GMT
Are these new locomotives or rebuilt and re engined second hand locos, they look very similar to the rebuild Schoma conversions done by Clayton for the London Underground when the need for more battery locomotives to work engineers works trains ?
Yes I can see these are Diesel locomotives but why would Crossrail buy new ones when these are only going to be used during the track laying and fit out of the project?
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Post by johnb2 on Jan 23, 2016 13:15:37 GMT
The cost of new small locos is insignificant in terms of the overall cost of the project.
Crossrails main concern will be reliability as these will be very intensively used and being a time critical project need to be reliable. Buying new will avoid any possible defects that are not initially apparent. They will be warranted by the manufacturer for a certain period, quite possibly the length of the Crossrail contract. They can incorporate any specific operational, safety and emissions requirements as they will be operating for lengthy periods in tunnels. At the end of the contract they will be pretty knackered anyway.
I would expect that the costs of buying new would not be so very different to buying second hand, refurbing them and adding any specific requirements. Much easier to buy new, simplyfying maintenance and operation with an indentical batch, beats looking around the second hand market examining assorted options, assessing them and then specifying the work needed, that's time and money as well to be considered in the overall cost.
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Post by brigham on Jan 23, 2016 14:36:47 GMT
So we can still build locomotives, eh?
Time to clamp down on imports.
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Post by Chris W on Jan 23, 2016 23:32:15 GMT
This is quite a smart buy by TfL.... after all they have just been awarded suburban London commuter routes.Alongside the converted diesel Schoma locos, once Crossrail is complete it will negate, or at least reduce, the need to hire in mainline locos (Metronet contracted five Class 66 locomotives from GB Railfreight) for engineering works across the Underground/Overground/Crossrail/TfL Rail networks. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 23, 2016 23:52:49 GMT
They will still need locomotives for engineering/maintenance trains when Crossrail is complete.
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Post by londoner on Jan 24, 2016 0:19:53 GMT
This is quite a smart buy by TfL.... after all they have just been awarded suburban London commuter routes.Alongside the converted diesel Schoma locos, once Crossrail is complete it will negate, or at least reduce, the need to hire in mainline locos (Metronet contracted five Class 66 locomotives from GB Railfreight) for engineering works across the Underground/Overground/Crossrail/TfL Rail networks. As far as I am aware, its just plans at the moment, nothing is set in stone just yet. |
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Post by phil on Jan 25, 2016 0:41:12 GMT
They will still need locomotives for engineering/maintenance trains when Crossrail is complete. Crossrail infrastructure, outside of the Royal Oak - Stratford / Abbey Wood section is owned and operated by Network rail who have responsibility for looking after engineering resources NOT TfL. It then follows that having a tiny fleet of Crossrail only locos simply for the TfL owned infrastructure is not a good use of money once the thing is up and running, particularly as maintenance requirements of a brand new passenger railway will not be onerous and things like class 66 diesels will fit through the tunnels quite happily. During the construction phase however, having a dedicated fleet makes perfect sense though. |
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Post by phil on Jan 25, 2016 0:45:22 GMT
This is quite a smart buy by TfL.... after all they have just been awarded suburban London commuter routes.Alongside the converted diesel Schoma locos, once Crossrail is complete it will negate, or at least reduce, the need to hire in mainline locos (Metronet contracted five Class 66 locomotives from GB Railfreight) for engineering works across the Underground/Overground/Crossrail/TfL Rail networks. As far as I am aware, its just plans at the moment, nothing is set in stone just yet. It doesn't matter WHO runs the TOC, nor the exact type of contract. National rail infrastructure within London remains owned and operated by Network Rail who organise maintance and renewals. It is NR who hire in the likes of class 66 locos for engineering trains and no amount of orange painted passenger rolling stock will change that. |
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Post by jacko1 on Feb 12, 2016 20:58:50 GMT
This is quite a smart buy by TfL.... after all they have just been awarded suburban London commuter routes.Alongside the converted diesel Schoma locos, once Crossrail is complete it will negate, or at least reduce, the need to hire in mainline locos (Metronet contracted five Class 66 locomotives from GB Railfreight) for engineering works across the Underground/Overground/Crossrail/TfL Rail networks. the crossrail building is classed as a construction railway,as was hs1. on handover,under network rail,it will become just another route,thus, I would not expect these locos to be passed to work on nr infrastructure so 66s will still be the norm on ballast trains. |
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Post by flippyff on Mar 28, 2016 16:04:24 GMT
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Post by flippyff on Aug 26, 2016 7:14:54 GMT
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