|
|
Post by melikepie on Dec 13, 2015 21:37:56 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 13, 2015 21:45:13 GMT
Love the photo of Ron greenwood with the FA Cup in a bin liner!  |
|
|
|
Post by stapler on Dec 13, 2015 22:26:00 GMT
Presumably Ron Greenwood was on the Central Line EB, returning to his house at Loughton where there is now a blue plaque.
Did we have bin liners in 1964?
|
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 13, 2015 22:35:09 GMT
Presumably Ron Greenwood was on the Central Line EB, returning to his house at Loughton where there is now a blue plaque. Did we have bin liners in 1964? Looking more closely it looks like a piece of green baize. Do that today, it would have a 'car' to itself with 'stewards' at every door  |
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 13, 2015 22:38:38 GMT
Presumably Ron Greenwood was on the Central Line EB, returning to his house at Loughton where there is now a blue plaque. Did we have bin liners in 1964? Ron took it for TWO rides on the Tube-one home after they won it & he decided against going to the official banquet (with Bobby Moore & Johnny Byrne in the winning team, that's no surprise!) & one there & back to a cinema, where the Cup was paraded during the interval. I believe the cinema was in Tottenham Court Road, though I can only find it mentioned as a West End cinema & the Cup is 'cunningly wrapped in a cloth' according to most writers. They only got to the Final by the semi-final being played on a paddy field at Hillsborough that completely negated their far more skilful opponents in a game that should have never kicked off. |
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 13, 2015 23:20:24 GMT
Presumably Ron Greenwood was on the Central Line EB, returning to his house at Loughton where there is now a blue plaque. Did we have bin liners in 1964? Ron took it for TWO rides on the Tube-one home after they won it & he decided against going to the official banquet (with Bobby Moore & Johnny Byrne in the winning team, that's no surprise!) & one there & back to a cinema, where the Cup was paraded during the interval. I believe the cinema was in Tottenham Court Road, though I can only find it mentioned as a West End cinema & the Cup is 'cunningly wrapped in a cloth' according to most writers. They only got to the Final by the semi-final being played on a paddy field at Hillsborough that completely negated their far more skilful opponents in a game that should have never kicked off. Man U supporter are we?  |
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 14, 2015 10:24:23 GMT
Ron took it for TWO rides on the Tube-one home after they won it & he decided against going to the official banquet (with Bobby Moore & Johnny Byrne in the winning team, that's no surprise!) & one there & back to a cinema, where the Cup was paraded during the interval. I believe the cinema was in Tottenham Court Road, though I can only find it mentioned as a West End cinema & the Cup is 'cunningly wrapped in a cloth' according to most writers. They only got to the Final by the semi-final being played on a paddy field at Hillsborough that completely negated their far more skilful opponents in a game that should have never kicked off. Man U supporter are we? Yes, since a slightly-belated 4th birthday treat, involving a journey on the Bakerloo & Piccadilly Line (keeping the Tube in this), to Highbury on Saturday March 17 1956. I won't bore everyone else with the rest of it, sufficient to say I've been one ever since. |
|
|
|
Post by brigham on Dec 14, 2015 11:07:13 GMT
Best Eric Morecambe lookalike ever!
|
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 14, 2015 11:15:36 GMT
Best Eric Morecambe lookalike ever! 1960 on the caption-wonder if it's the real Eric? As for the guy on the left, this is a photo of the younger Ernie Wise, what do you reckon:  |
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 14, 2015 11:46:56 GMT
Man U supporter are we? Yes, since a slightly-belated 4th birthday treat, involving a journey on the Bakerloo & Piccadilly Line (keeping the Tube in this), to Highbury on Saturday March 17 1956. I won't bore everyone else with the rest of it, sufficient to say I've been one ever since. That '64 final had a couple of 'firsts' Howard Kendall(RIP) was up 'til then the youngest player ever in a cup final, West Ham were the first club to field 11 Englishmen, 12 if you include Ron Greenwood. On that day Bobby Moore began a unique 'trio' in that in '64 it was the FA Cup, '65 the Cup Winners Cup and '66 THE World Cup. Somehow I think that record will stand for a few years Oh I was 7 when I made my first trip from Stockwell to Upton Park, changing at the Bank |
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 14, 2015 13:52:37 GMT
Yes, since a slightly-belated 4th birthday treat, involving a journey on the Bakerloo & Piccadilly Line (keeping the Tube in this), to Highbury on Saturday March 17 1956. I won't bore everyone else with the rest of it, sufficient to say I've been one ever since. That '64 final had a couple of 'firsts' Howard Kendall(RIP) was up 'til then the youngest player ever in a cup final, West Ham were the first club to field 11 Englishmen, 12 if you include Ron Greenwood. On that day Bobby Moore began a unique 'trio' in that in '64 it was the FA Cup, '65 the Cup Winners Cup and '66 THE World Cup. Somehow I think that record will stand for a few years Oh I was 7 when I made my first trip from Stockwell to Upton Park, changing at the Bank If I remember correctly, John Sissons, who got Hammer's first goal a minute after Holden put PNE ahead, wasn't too much older; in fact, about 8 months older, according to Wiki. Bobby Moore( RIP) and his unique treble will never be equalled, as the CWC no longer exists. As for another World Cup win--possibly about as likely as the Drain being extended outside the 32-piece Lakeland's finest crayon set! Even the local side here, Argyle, would struggle to put 11 Englishmen on the field these days. Be interesting to know who your first game at Upton Park was against, as I just looked up my United 'debut'-2 'foreigners' for Arsenal that day, Welsh Derek Tapscott, Irish Joe Haverty, one for us, Eire's Billy Whelan. Our route was bus from Camberwell to Elephant & Castle, Bakerloo to Piccadilly Circus and then Piccadilly line to Arsenal. And a threepenny bag of Percy Dalton's peanuts, who must've moved sellers in from where they were better known in those days- White Hart Lane. |
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 14, 2015 13:56:35 GMT
That '64 final had a couple of 'firsts' Howard Kendall(RIP) was up 'til then the youngest player ever in a cup final, West Ham were the first club to field 11 Englishmen, 12 if you include Ron Greenwood. On that day Bobby Moore began a unique 'trio' in that in '64 it was the FA Cup, '65 the Cup Winners Cup and '66 THE World Cup. Somehow I think that record will stand for a few years Oh I was 7 when I made my first trip from Stockwell to Upton Park, changing at the Bank If I remember correctly, John Sissons, who got Hammer's first goal a minute after Holden put PNE ahead, wasn't too much older; in fact, about 8 months older, according to Wiki. Bobby Moore( RIP) and his unique treble will never be equalled, as the CWC no longer exists. As for another World Cup win--possibly about as likely as the Drain being extended outside the 32-piece Lakeland's finest crayon set! Even the local side here, Argyle, would struggle to put 11 Englishmen on the field these days. Be interesting to know who your first game at Upton Park was against, as I just looked up my United 'debut'-2 'foreigners' for Arsenal that day, Welsh Derek Tapscott, Irish Joe Haverty, one for us, Eire's Billy Whelan. Our route was bus from Camberwell to Elephant & Castle, Bakerloo to Piccadilly Circus and then Piccadilly line to Arsenal. And a threepenny bag of Percy Dalton's peanuts, who must've moved sellers in from where they were better known in those days- White Hart Lane. Why not the Northern Line to Kings +? |
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 14, 2015 14:21:00 GMT
That '64 final had a couple of 'firsts' Howard Kendall(RIP) was up 'til then the youngest player ever in a cup final, West Ham were the first club to field 11 Englishmen, 12 if you include Ron Greenwood. On that day Bobby Moore began a unique 'trio' in that in '64 it was the FA Cup, '65 the Cup Winners Cup and '66 THE World Cup. Somehow I think that record will stand for a few years Oh I was 7 when I made my first trip from Stockwell to Upton Park, changing at the Bank If I remember correctly, John Sissons, who got Hammer's first goal a minute after Holden put PNE ahead, wasn't too much older; in fact, about 8 months older, according to Wiki. Bobby Moore( RIP) and his unique treble will never be equalled, as the CWC no longer exists. As for another World Cup win--possibly about as likely as the Drain being extended outside the 32-piece Lakeland's finest crayon set! Even the local side here, Argyle, would struggle to put 11 Englishmen on the field these days. Be interesting to know who your first game at Upton Park was against, as I just looked up my United 'debut'-2 'foreigners' for Arsenal that day, Welsh Derek Tapscott, Irish Joe Haverty, one for us, Eire's Billy Whelan. Our route was bus from Camberwell to Elephant & Castle, Bakerloo to Piccadilly Circus and then Piccadilly line to Arsenal. And a threepenny bag of Percy Dalton's peanuts, who must've moved sellers in from where they were better known in those days- White Hart Lane. According to Wikipedia. it was against Millwall(!!) in 1904 |
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 14, 2015 14:39:53 GMT
Sorry, I meant the first game you attended at Upton Park!
Because if you can remember opponents or rough date, I've got a set of Soccer Data annuals from 1919-1970 with every League side's line-ups & scorers within.
Which is how I can tell you Dennis Viollet scored for Utd. & Cliff Holton for Arsenal in my 1-1 draw.
The preferred route to Arsenal was chosen because my Dad's workmate met us at Piccadilly Circus and there were better opportunities in its' immediate environs for what was known as choir practice on Dad's side of the family, and remains so to this day, even if my chosen lubricant has moved on from C & C bottled fizzy orangeade.
|
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 14, 2015 15:36:34 GMT
Sorry, I meant the first game you attended at Upton Park!
Because if you can remember opponents or rough date, I've got a set of Soccer Data annuals from 1919-1970 with every League side's line-ups & scorers within. Which is how I can tell you Dennis Viollet scored for Utd. & Cliff Holton for Arsenal in my 1-1 draw. The preferred route to Arsenal was chosen because my Dad's workmate met us at Piccadilly Circus and there were better opportunities in its' immediate environs for what was known as choir practice on Dad's side of the family, and remains so to this day, even if my chosen lubricant has moved on from C & C bottled fizzy orangeade. Liverpool beat us 0-3.  Looking at the old stats we appeared to beat Argyle 6-1! |
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 14, 2015 16:19:45 GMT
Your side from April 26 1955: Ernie Gregory;George Wright;Noel Cantwell (Eire & later Man. Utd. Captain);Andy Malcolm(later to win the League with Ipswich in 1962),Malcolm Allison Capt. (without Fiona Richmond in tow ,Frank O'Farrell (later Man. Utd. manager & Eire);Harry Hooper,Dave Sexton (ANOTHER Man. Utd. manager later on),Billy Dare,Les Bennett (ex Spurs 1951 Title winner),John Dick, who was, wait for it, born in the same part of Scotland as Sir Alex Ferguson-Govan! Liverpool's side included famous Scot & JP Billy Liddell & the gate being just 9448, this was a rearranged midweek fixture, so possibly in the afternoon, before most teams had floodlights. Liverpool that season had just been relegated, finished only 11th, three places below Hammers & managed to lose their last game 1-6 at Rotherham, who just lost out on promotion on goal average to Luton & Birmingham, possibly because Brum beat Liverpool by 1-9 at St Andrews in October 1954. Those last two are scorelines dear to my heart, especially the St Andrews one! |
|
|
|
Post by John Tuthill on Dec 14, 2015 16:42:05 GMT
Your side from April 26 1955: Ernie Gregory;George Wright; Noel Cantwell (Eire & later Man. Utd. Captain);Andy Malcolm(later to win the League with Ipswich in 1962), Malcolm Allison Capt. (without Fiona Richmond in tow , Frank O'Farrell (later Man. Utd. manager & Eire);Harry Hooper, Dave Sexton (ANOTHER Man. Utd. manager later on),Billy Dare,Les Bennett (ex Spurs 1951 Title winner),John Dick, who was, wait for it, born in the same part of Scotland as Sir Alex Ferguson-Govan! Liverpool's side included famous Scot & JP Billy Liddell & the gate being just 9448, this was a rearranged midweek fixture, so possibly in the afternoon, before most teams had floodlights. Liverpool that season had just been relegated, finished only 11th, three places below Hammers & managed to lose their last game 1-6 at Rotherham, who just lost out on promotion on goal average to Luton & Birmingham, possibly because Brum beat Liverpool by 1-9 at St Andrews in October 1954. Those last two are scorelines dear to my heart, especially the St Andrews one! There's a few good names there. It got me thinking as to how many managers started off playing at WHU? Two that came later were John Lyle and Harry Rednapp. Even Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst had a dabble |
|
|
|
Post by theblackferret on Dec 14, 2015 17:07:51 GMT
Well, in that season's team, though not playing v Liverpool-Malcolm Musgrove, Frank's assistant at OT, John Bond & Ken Brown for a start.
|
|
towerman
My status is now now widower
Posts: 2,970
|
Post by towerman on Dec 18, 2015 13:15:22 GMT
That guy drinking the cup of tea in the first photo looks like a senior LU manager(yes,they did dress like that in those days)think it's on a 67TS publicity run as the train appears to be on the bay road at Woodford.
|
|
Looking at the old stats we appeared to beat Argyle 6-1! 
