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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 12:52:19 GMT
I was thinking of getting my set of 3/4 EFE tube stock and I was wondering if I put just one motor in the Non Driving Motor Car would it be able to push an pull 3/4 carriage around without putting two motors in??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 11:42:49 GMT
I am afraid the answer is no I suggest 2 motor bogies in the UNDM. I have 2 sets with motor bogies in separate cars this can cause issues. My next set will have 2 motors in the UNDM with one DCC chip controlling them.
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Post by metroland on Nov 28, 2015 11:45:11 GMT
Afraid the answer's a bit like how long's a piece of string. The bogies that come on the EFE cars have a lot of friction. The Rolls Royce solution is to replace all non-powered bogies on all cars with the MetroModels offering at £7 per bogie, which is what I've done. www.metromodels.net/efe_product_range.htmThere's a cheaper solution which involves taking some bits off the original bogies to make them a bit more free-running (afraid I can't give more details as I've not done this). I've seen sets on which this has been done BUT a lot depends on how level your trackwork is, because there is still quite a bit of friction.
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Post by metman on Nov 28, 2015 12:02:52 GMT
The metromodels upgrade is certainly the best job but at £42 plus p&p for a four car train it is rather pricey. I have gone for a different approach and had a friend make up some 3D printed bogies which are less work and look great.
I have used 2 tenshodo bogies in my 1962 stock four car pilot set and put the 2 motors in the trailer.
You could get away with a single endo bogie if the bogies were upgraded but uou would need a pick up bogie to go with it and that's to much hassle for me.
Saying that I am going to use two endo motor in my 6 car 1938 stock train and one in my 1960 TRT!
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Post by metroland on Nov 28, 2015 12:40:32 GMT
I have an Endo in my 4 car Q stock set and it's way better than Tenshodo. I'm not quite sure how you'd fit it into a tube car but the power should easily be enough for a 4 car EFE. Am not quite sure why you'd need a pick up bogie as it runs ok on its own?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 15:51:10 GMT
Thanks for the advise "metroland" Im going to go for an endo motor to pull and push my 3/4 car 1959 stock EFE tube stock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 18:01:21 GMT
Thanks for the advise "metroland" Im going to go for an endo motor to pull and push my 3/4 car 1959 stock EFE tube stock. If you are going to DCC your set the Endo motor bogie needs modifications . XF
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 19:51:51 GMT
Thanks for the advice "xercesfobe" but I'm not going to do DCC just analogue
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Post by metman on Nov 28, 2015 20:20:34 GMT
I find it is better to wire both motors together in a single car as most people suggest however if you only have one motor bogie extra pick ups on the other trailing bogie help you out over point work.
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Post by metroland on Nov 28, 2015 20:46:53 GMT
I find it is better to wire both motors together in a single car as most people suggest however if you only have one motor bogie extra pick ups on the other trailing bogie help you out over point work. That makes sense!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 20:56:24 GMT
Hi all,
Well I managed to fit a ENDO motor in the non driving motor car and on initial test results is fairly good and managed to push and pull Hornby coaches around my layout but I think i will invest a couple of metro models bogies for the efe carriages.
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Post by metroland on Dec 6, 2015 11:06:40 GMT
Any chance of a pic of the inside of the car showing how you managed this pls?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 19:09:21 GMT
Any chance of a pic of the inside of the car showing how you managed this pls? I will post some images, but all I did was follow the instructions below radleymodels.com/uploads/files/radleymodels.com_--_971908858.pdfand found some fixings from a Tenshodo WB26-B 'SPUD' motor bogie from eBay and used them to fix the motor to the efe under frame and used a weight from a Lima class 117 stood on its side length ways in the middle with some of the interior sitting on each side of the weight and then I screwed the bodyshell back on which also holds the weight in place as the weight is the right height.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 0:05:54 GMT
Any chance of a pic of the inside of the car showing how you managed this pls? Here are some pics
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Post by metroland on Dec 8, 2015 16:33:23 GMT
Thanks - that's really quite neat - I was expecting the Endo to protrude more inside the car
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Post by metman on Dec 9, 2015 18:43:20 GMT
Yes looks good. There don't appear to be any pronges to wire two together. Can anyone advise?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 12:22:17 GMT
Yes looks good. There don't appear to be any pronges to wire two together. Can anyone advise? personally the endo motor is very powerful and so I don't think you would need to connect two endo motors together, just one endo motor is powerful enough to push and pull 3/4 cars but recommend replacing the poor quality EFE bogies and wheels with bogies and wheels from metromodels and running the model around a layout with 2nd radius curves or greater like hornby track.
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Post by metman on Dec 10, 2015 18:32:16 GMT
My 1938 stock will run as 6 cars but I will still need pick ups to prevent stalling over points so it is important to be able up wire something to the endo bogies.
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