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Post by snoggle on Oct 19, 2015 18:04:15 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Oct 19, 2015 18:10:40 GMT
Similar scenario to Epsom Downs having Oyster but Epsom itself not. |
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Post by jukes on Oct 19, 2015 21:44:40 GMT
Hertford North, WGC, Luton Apt Parkway, Epsom and Swanley should follow by 2016. Gatwick soon hopefully, with intermediate stations following probably by early 2016. In late 2018 probable Oyster to Reading according to Howard Smith from Crossrail.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 19, 2015 22:33:02 GMT
In late 2018 probable Oyster to Reading according to Howard Smith from Crossrail. Just via Slough, or also via Sunningdale? That would be a turnup for the books as SWT hasn't even extended Oyster to Shepperton yet |
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Post by melikepie on Oct 19, 2015 23:51:09 GMT
Hertford North, WGC, Luton Apt Parkway, Epsom and Swanley should follow by 2016. Gatwick soon hopefully, with intermediate stations following probably by early 2016. In late 2018 probable Oyster to Reading according to Howard Smith from Crossrail. Then why do GTR staff tell me when I asked that it wasn't happening in the near future? |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 20, 2015 9:33:58 GMT
Hertford North, WGC, Luton Apt Parkway, Epsom and Swanley should follow by 2016. Gatwick soon hopefully, with intermediate stations following probably by early 2016. In late 2018 probable Oyster to Reading according to Howard Smith from Crossrail. Can I quibble very slightly with the early 2016 date about Oyster back room processing and new Oyster cards? When Shashi Verma appeared in front of the Transport Cttee earlier this year he was asked when the switchover would happen as Assembly members wanted to know when weekly capping would apply to Oyster. He refused to give a specific date but said the timescale for the work was around 2 years which most likely means 2017. There would also be the issue of moving people across to new cards if they wanted to do so. Mr Verma stressed the work was quite involved and also that the Night Tube related ticketing changes had pushed other work back. Have you heard something that says the switchover work has been accelerated or been completed earlier than expected? I know TfL were going to market about a new form of Oyster Card for possible use in 2016 but nothing's been said about that since I saw the OJEU notice. |
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Post by mattdickinson on Oct 20, 2015 13:43:45 GMT
Travelcards on Oyster are to Hertford East are also available according to Oyster Online (which include validity to Watford Junction...)
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Post by melikepie on Oct 21, 2015 18:37:06 GMT
I've just found out that all the stations on the line will be in the same zone as Broxbourne, Zone B
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 21, 2015 20:53:12 GMT
Zone B? Didn't that get turned into Zone 7 or something?
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Post by stapler on Oct 21, 2015 21:35:57 GMT
Noticed that Hertford E and Waltham + are in the same zone. Off peak fare £1 for us OAPs
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Post by melikepie on Oct 22, 2015 0:57:20 GMT
Zone B? Didn't that get turned into Zone 7 or something? That was the original Zone B. A new Zone B was created for Broxbourne. Oh and that means Waltham Cross is in Zone 7, not B so obviously no they are not in the same zone. |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2015 17:37:58 GMT
These extra zones are in danger of becoming mildly confusing! Each extension of Oyster availability beyond Greater London seems to have its own system for naming zones.
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Post by stapler on Oct 27, 2015 21:56:17 GMT
Yes, so it's doubly odd that the Essex stations outside Greater London on the Central Line (even Epping some 17 miles out) are still in Zone 6 (or 5 or 4 for some closer in)
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2015 22:02:29 GMT
Yes, so it's doubly odd that the Essex stations outside Greater London on the Central Line (even Epping some 17 miles out) are still in Zone 6 (or 5 or 4 for some closer in) When the zones were first introduced in 1983, everything east of Woodford was outside as Woodford was the last stop in Greater London. A few years later, the zones were extended to Loughton and eventually to Epping. I'm not sure if there is any financial arrangement with Essex County Council to enable it to happen. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 27, 2015 22:14:06 GMT
. A few years later, the zones were extended to Loughton and eventually to Epping. I'm not sure if there is any financial arrangement with Essex County Council to enable it to happen. There was, but not sure there still is. |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2015 22:22:28 GMT
. A few years later, the zones were extended to Loughton and eventually to Epping. I'm not sure if there is any financial arrangement with Essex County Council to enable it to happen. There was, but not sure there still is. There was definitely a subsidy paid in respect of the Epping to Ongar line, but that predates the introduction of the zonal fares system. Epping being in zone 6 certainly makes it an attractive option for commuters when compared to, say, Harlow. Probably why the car park is full by 6.30am! |
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Post by stapler on Oct 28, 2015 8:37:23 GMT
No, no ECC subsidy for the Central Line.
My season ticket used to read "by rail to Woodford then all zones" and a considerable extra charge was payable for the 2 extra stations. I can see why BH and Loughton are in the zones, purely on distance grounds; but not Theydon Bois and Epping. The nett effect of this applying Zone 6 fares to a place 17-18 miles out is that half Essex drives to Epping and clogs the place up!
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 28, 2015 9:22:55 GMT
No, no ECC subsidy for the Central Line. My season ticket used to read "by rail to Woodford then all zones" and a considerable extra charge was payable for the 2 extra stations. I can see why BH and Loughton are in the zones, purely on distance grounds; but not Theydon Bois and Epping. The nett effect of this applying Zone 6 fares to a place 17-18 miles out is that half Essex drives to Epping and clogs the place up! The car parking at Woodford was horrific until they did that (although it's creeping back to those levels now). Whatever station is last in the zones will cop it. I guess they were trying to keep the cars as far away from the centre as possible and therefore Epping and the others took one for the team. |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 28, 2015 21:29:09 GMT
No, no ECC subsidy for the Central Line. My season ticket used to read "by rail to Woodford then all zones" and a considerable extra charge was payable for the 2 extra stations. I can see why BH and Loughton are in the zones, purely on distance grounds; but not Theydon Bois and Epping. The nett effect of this applying Zone 6 fares to a place 17-18 miles out is that half Essex drives to Epping and clogs the place up! The car parking at Woodford was horrific until they did that (although it's creeping back to those levels now). Whatever station is last in the zones will cop it. I guess they were trying to keep the cars as far away from the centre as possible and therefore Epping and the others took one for the team. Although what do you now define as last in the zones? And now we have other anomalies, such as stations outside the zones, but having Oyster validity. In my head, I'll always see the real zones as 1 - 6, because that's what my one day travelcard used to go up to! I remember it was zones 1 - 5 before that, and originally zones 1,2,3a,3b and 3c. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 28, 2015 21:35:51 GMT
The car parking at Woodford was horrific until they did that (although it's creeping back to those levels now). Whatever station is last in the zones will cop it. I guess they were trying to keep the cars as far away from the centre as possible and therefore Epping and the others took one for the team. Although what do you now define as last in the zones? And now we have other anomalies, such as stations outside the zones, but having Oyster validity. In my head, I'll always see the real zones as 1 - 6, because that's what my one day travelcard used to go up to! I remember it was zones 1 - 5 before that, and originally zones 1,2,3a,3b and 3c. An indication of the city creep outwards ST. The zones expand with the overcrowding. I anticipate zones into double figures eventually as TfL becomes the primary form of public transport anywhere within the M25 and realistically, several miles beyond. I reside 170 miles away.......if I live to be 120 (which is pretty unlikely) I'll be asking questions about my Oyster Implant. |
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