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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 20:47:50 GMT
This evening 21:43 at Wembley Park I saw a 4 car A Stock on the far London bound fast Met platform I'm wondering is the RAT out for leaf fall?
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 17, 2015 23:02:34 GMT
It would have been a 5-car train of A stock, but yes, yes the RAT is out for leaf fall.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 18, 2015 2:35:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 10:58:13 GMT
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 24, 2015 10:11:00 GMT
Happened to be in the right place at the right time this morning to catch the RAT at Harrow arriving simultaneously with an S8. Nice to see two generations of Met line stock together - and I know which I prefer! The old girl still doesn't look out of place, three years on.  21048 & 5111 - Harrow-on-the-Hill by Jack Gordon, on Flickr |
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Post by Chris W on Oct 24, 2015 12:23:17 GMT
That's a cracking image... And its good to see a forum member in charge of the RAT too.... although I think his colleague has that sinking feeling as he seems a little low down in the cab  |
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 24, 2015 12:32:28 GMT
That's a cracking image... And its good to see a forum member in charge of the RAT too.... although I think his colleague has that sinking feeling as he seems a little low down in the cab ...a forum member in charge of the RAT, and another forum member in charge of the S stock!  Complete and utter coincidence...  |
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Post by a60 on Oct 24, 2015 13:47:54 GMT
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 24, 2015 13:55:00 GMT
Rumours that the D stock RAT has been delayed which will see the A stock having another season, and thus a lift to get it through. Certainly prior to this year's Sandite season it was always understood that the A would be on the way out due to the need for this lift. |
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Post by a60 on Oct 24, 2015 14:03:42 GMT
Rumours that the D stock RAT has been delayed which will see the A stock having another season, and thus a lift to get it through. Certainly prior to this year's Sandite season it was always understood that the A would be on the way out due to the need for this lift. Thanks for clarifying, and at the risk of causing this thread to drift away from the topic; no plans to preserve one of the RAT units? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 24, 2015 14:11:34 GMT
Rumours that the D stock RAT has been delayed which will see the A stock having another season, and thus a lift to get it through. Certainly prior to this year's Sandite season it was always understood that the A would be on the way out due to the need for this lift. Thanks for clarifying, and at the risk of causing this thread to drift away from the topic; no plans to preserve one of the RAT units? Not that I'm aware of, that's the only part where the rumours haven't shifted at all. But there's another year now, and that's a very long time in London Underground... |
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Post by Chris W on Oct 24, 2015 17:51:14 GMT
Whenever anyone hears that the RAT or a.n.other unit is being/to be preserved.... the very first question that should be asked is....
What arrangements have been made to store it when not in use...??
The reasoning is that the LT Museum at Acton is now *over-full, and considering the full compliment of S7/S8 stock to be housed at Ealing Common/Upminster/Neasden and other locations will be far more than the D or A stock units..... what space is left ??
* units are often stored to the rear of the museum (not that the museum is improperly over-occupying their site building)
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 24, 2015 22:10:13 GMT
Whenever anyone hears that the RAT or a.n.other unit is being/to be preserved.... the very first question that should be asked is....
What arrangements have been made to store it when not in use...??The reasoning is that the LT Museum at Acton is now *over-full, and considering the full compliment of S7/S8 stock to be housed at Ealing Common/Upminster/Neasden and other locations will be far more than the D or A stock units..... what space is left ?? * units are often stored to the rear of the museum (not that the museum is improperly over-occupying their site building) Thinkin' out the box... spare / no longer used (or soon to be no longer used) platforms at Putney Bridge? Chalfont & Latimer? Mansion House? But some of these may be out of gauge, although the last of these is under cover. oh and also the route between Farringdon and Moorgate (although that might be needed for S Stock?). The problem with storing it out of doors is that it will deteriorate plus become a target for vandalism, or worse. Simon |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 22:45:54 GMT
It is at least 2 years till both D stock RATs are completed.
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 25, 2015 2:20:34 GMT
oh and also the route between Farringdon and Moorgate (although that might be needed for S Stock?)....Simon Do you mean the former NR rails? AIUI they're currently not connected to LU metals, which is a must. |
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Post by metman on Oct 25, 2015 8:41:23 GMT
What had happened to 6132? This is the last A62 car. It was to be converted into another RAC but I assume that has been cancelled?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 25, 2015 8:50:15 GMT
Thinkin' out the box... spare / no longer used (or soon to be no longer used) platforms at Putney Bridge? Chalfont & Latimer? Mansion House? But some of these may be out of gauge, although the last of these is under cover. oh and also the route between Farringdon and Moorgate (although that might be needed for S Stock?). Simon These 'spare' locations wouldn't be connected to the mainline, have points, crossings and signalling simplified for the new layout, thus saving on renewal and regular maintenance - the reason the work is being done in the first place. |
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Post by Antje on Oct 27, 2015 20:39:04 GMT
It is up to the enthusiasts and supporters to help LTM buy more land for the newcomers.
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Post by Chris W on Oct 27, 2015 20:49:44 GMT
Agreed....
However besides starting again.... as in locate and purchase a third site where the Museum can locate/store stock...where could the LT Museum at Acton expand and who owns the land... and is that land already in use....
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 27, 2015 23:50:54 GMT
no spare wasteland in the Docklands area? I'm thinking of somewhere like the Beckton branch.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 28, 2015 0:13:48 GMT
oh and also the route between Farringdon and Moorgate (although that might be needed for S Stock?)....Simon Do you mean the former NR rails? AIUI they're currently not connected to LU metals, which is a must. But the now disused widened lines could be... and I thought that they will be, as part of extra long sidings for S Stock trains. Simon |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 28, 2015 0:54:42 GMT
no spare wasteland in the Docklands area? I'm thinking of somewhere like the Beckton branch. Simon Pretty much everything in the Docklands has been earmarked for housing by someone. A couple of years back at one of the meets, a few of us were speculating about a site near Pontoon Dock for the museum. There would be no direct tube/mainline access, but I'm sure with a little creativity someone could could find somewhere near the tube to load trains onto a barge... More realistic would be to move the road vehicle collection elsewhere and devote the whole depot to rail vehicles. The other thought was to sell the Acton and Covent Garden sites (replacing the latter with a shop) and build a purpose-built depot somewhere cheaper with the profits. Metroland would be the obvious place for historic reasons, but anywhere within striking distance of central London that has a mainline gauge connection would be a candidate. |
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Post by a60 on Oct 28, 2015 1:11:46 GMT
Maybe Quainton Road is a suitable place, I assume that there would be a lot of red tape involved in getting an A Stock to/from there with battery locos?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 28, 2015 1:42:31 GMT
Maybe Quainton Road is a suitable place, I assume that there would be a lot of red tape involved in getting an A Stock to/from there with battery locos? Red tape, but possibly less, if you used whatever locos take the S stocks to and from the Midlands. However, I think London's Transport Museum needs to be somewhere in Greater London, and probably not much further out than zone 3/4 if you're going to get any tourists. |
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Post by metman on Oct 28, 2015 18:44:45 GMT
Is there no spare land around Ruislip depot build a couple of sidings?
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Post by a60 on Oct 28, 2015 19:18:37 GMT
metman 6132 is formed up with 5112/3 at Acton Works. As for any other details, one just has to assume it is withdrawn. I saw in the caption of tubesnaps' photo on flickr that 5112 has been transferred in ownership to LTM, any truth to this?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 28, 2015 20:31:53 GMT
Is there no spare land around Ruislip depot build a couple of sidings? Looking at Google Earth, the only space within the current depot appears to be enough for at most 2 and maybe only one new siding between the Met/Picc and what Carto Metro calls the "P.way sidings". Between the chord that connects the Met and Central lines and Austin's Lane, Ickentham are some fields that could be worth investigating as the site of either a new siding or two, or a new home for the Transport Museum (the latter may require upgrading Austin's Lane and/or a new footpath (or miniature railway?) to Ickenham station). |
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Post by br7mt on Oct 28, 2015 20:39:52 GMT
Ruislip will require some re-modelling in that area for new ballast renewal trains and other major plant projects, so really isn't an option. The large parcel of land South of the depot is mostly greenbelt therefore not an option.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 20:50:19 GMT
More realistic would be to move the road vehicle collection elsewhere and devote the whole depot to rail vehicles. This has been the rumoured plan for a while now. Hopefully it goes ahead  |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 28, 2015 21:00:16 GMT
More realistic would be to move the road vehicle collection elsewhere and devote the whole depot to rail vehicles. This has been the rumoured plan for a while now. Hopefully it goes ahead I like this idea as road vehicles are a lot easier to store and can be moved far more quickly if needs be. I realise that as heritage vehicles they deserve the same attention as rail units but in order to release space it would help ease the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the last S Stock is retired with nowhere to go.  |
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