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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 12:02:31 GMT
Can anyone help. I have just picked up an OO resin body kit of the Steeple cab and intended to paint/letter in the wartime grey scheme. Couple of questions, if anyone can help. Does anyone make the red lettering for London Transport, and what buffers and who makes them?
Many thanks,mJohn
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Post by metman on Sept 18, 2015 22:22:11 GMT
The 10 cammel back locos where withdrawn in the early 1920s and all scrapped except one which became L21 and was converted as a shunter for the great northern and city which the met also owned. The bogies, motors and equipment passed to the 1921 saloon stock motors and L21 was equipped with BTH 150 equipment to match the GN&C cars. The loco lasted until 1948 when it was scrapped by mistake!!
I think Radley models produce the transfers for the kit.
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Post by The Tram Man on Sept 19, 2015 10:19:37 GMT
The loco lasted until 1948 when it was scrapped by mistake!! This may not be the right thread for it, but how did that happen? |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 19, 2015 22:01:53 GMT
The loco lasted until 1948 when it was scrapped by mistake!! This may not be the right thread for it, but how did that happen? It was not 'scrapped by mistake', by 1948 the GN&C had been altered to accept tube stock and the loco was confined to the depot. It could not be removed from the depot as the road access was not suitable so it was scrapped on site. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 19, 2015 23:13:23 GMT
by 1948 the GN&C had been altered to accept tube stock . Specifically, the loco had (presumably) been converted to operate on the GN&Cs electrification system when it was moved there, but the GN&C had then been converted (in 1940) to the standard LU system |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 9:33:33 GMT
Metman, many thanks for the info, very useful. Will try Radley Models. Regards,mJohn
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 20, 2015 15:39:18 GMT
by 1948 the GN&C had been altered to accept tube stock . Specifically, the loco had (presumably) been converted to operate on the GN&Cs electrification system when it was moved there, but the GN&C had then been converted (in 1940) to the standard LU system Was it scrapped in 1940? not 1948. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 20, 2015 16:17:16 GMT
Possibly useful information here www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32269This passage may shed some light on the subject "according to Ken Benest's book, she was "... said to have been scheduled for preservation as an interesting early electric locomotive........the original access to the G.N.R. (long since absorbed by the L.N.E.R.) had been replaced by a long concrete-covered approach of tube structure-gauge only. A fitter was instructed to remove the roof portion of No. 21, so that it could negotiate this covered portion of the exit from the G.N. & C. This task he is said to have undertaken with such enthusiasm that the resultant carnage of No. 21 was written off as fit only for scrapping." This is of course consistent with the "accidental" scrapping story - the intention had been to dismantle it in order to get it out, and re-assemble it elsewhere, but the dismantling turned out to be irreversible. Photo with original GN&C stock in 1934, still in Metropolitan livery and numbered 21. www.ltmcollection.org/images/webmax/8t/i000068t.jpgIn London Transport Livery, as L33 www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/download/file.php?id=73900&sid=5b9aca533b352468e5045bd8a98e1bcaThe shoegear appears to be different in the later photo - does this suggest it was converted to LT-standard (centre negative rail) and continued to be used post-1939 |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 20, 2015 19:08:20 GMT
having now found Brian Hardy's otherwise reliable and comprehensive "London Transport Surface Stock 1933-1959", I find it makes no mention of No 21/L33 . It does mention its predecessor, GN&C loco No 1 (intended as one of a fleet of nine, to haul GNR trains from Moorgate to Finsbury Park where steam would take over to the northern suburbs, but in the event a one-off only ever used for shunting.
I understand No 21 to have been the prototype "Steepleback", No 1, for the Met - the original 1920s plan to convert the fleet of ten, and the more boxy second batch also of ten, to the specification we are familiar with from "Sarah" was abandoned after one of them (no 17) was converted, and they were instead largely new build - albeit with some component recovery.
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Post by metman on Sept 20, 2015 22:11:10 GMT
That's the story I heard too. Real shame. Photos I've seen of no21 show it with GN&city bogies and pick up shoes. The original bogies and equipment with motors went to the 1921 saloon stock as did the other 19 loco bogies etc. I'm sure other parts were used on the met vik locos.
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Post by DWS on Sept 21, 2015 6:24:33 GMT
having now found Brian Hardy's otherwise reliable and comprehensive "London Transport Surface Stock 1933-1959", I find it makes no mention of No 21/L33 . It does mention its predecessor, GN&C loco No 1 (intended as one of a fleet of nine, to haul GNR trains from Moorgate to Finsbury Park where steam would take over to the northern suburbs, but in the event a one-off only ever used for shunting. I understand No 21 to have been the prototype "Steepleback", No 1, for the Met - the original 1920s plan to convert the fleet of ten, and the more boxy second batch also of ten, to the specification we are familiar with from "Sarah" was abandoned after one of them (no 17) was converted, and they were instead largely new build - albeit with some component recovery. The reason for no mention of No21/L33 is the book is about LT passenger rail vehicles in stock from 1993 - 1959. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 21, 2015 6:42:01 GMT
The reason for no mention of No21/L33 is the book is about LT passenger rail vehicles in stock from 1993 [sic] - 1959. Indeed, but it does mention GN&C No 1, which was only ever used for shunting, and the pre-1933 history of the Met (and District) locos, so I was surprised to find no mention at all of the fate of Met original No 1 / 21 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 15:24:19 GMT
One last question. Loco body painted and decaled for Metropolitan, motor bogie, dummy and side frames ( thanks to Phil R) , hand rails added , BUT would they be black or nickel plated, i.e. Silver paint? I have only found b&q photos and difficult to tell. Just a destination marker board to make. Many thanks to all that have helped, regards, John
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