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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 9:14:36 GMT
SOme of these put you right off workign for LU well i am going to anyways.
Talking about staff and such must be off now down to EOR station duties call!
Cheers James
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Post by igelkotten on Sept 27, 2005 12:10:52 GMT
So, how many years of seniority do you need to be able to snag a permanent night position? Other duties? We have a Man who sorts out changeovers, known as a Mafia.Nights are not really sought after at Upminster, so they're quite easy for any driver to get. Early turns are the most sought after, and anyone wanting permanent earlies would have to join a waiting list. Forgot about that mafia system, but of course I remebered hearing about it when I read your post... But, I am a blonde after all, so I suppose it's OK. Here in Stockholm, we have a system where you apply for a set of 2-4 duties basically in order of seniority. This can lead to all sorts of interesting infighting and backstabbing when the time for the Big Pick comes around. Interestingly enough, to get the permanent overnight duties (2300-0600) at Gullmarsplan, you needed some 25+ years on the job at last pick. At Alvik depot on the same line, however, no-one wanted them, so they had to be sent back for a second round of picking and one of them went to a young lad with all of 12 months on the job.
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Post by Tom on Sept 27, 2005 16:02:36 GMT
Interestingly enough, to get the permanent overnight duties (2300-0600) at Gullmarsplan, you needed some 25+ years on the job at last pick. So you had to be almost the no.1 in the depot then... ;D
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Post by igelkotten on Oct 1, 2005 22:19:50 GMT
Interestingly enough, to get the permanent overnight duties (2300-0600) at Gullmarsplan, you needed some 25+ years on the job at last pick. So you had to be almost the no.1 in the depot then... ;D Numbers 3, 5 and 9 in order of seniority at the time of the pick. Since then, No.1 has retired, so everyone has bumped up a notch. Now, number 5 might be heading for a medical retirement, which means that there will be an opening. One other guy who did like those jobs earlier has now apparently gone over to earlies. Which means that a certain friend of mine looks like a strong candidate for that position next pick, which in turn means than I can probably snag his former duties, which are of the late-late turn variety (ca. 1900-0200). Calculation, planning, and the mind of Machiavelli -necessary ingredients for today's discerning driver.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2006 0:47:47 GMT
I have got a few bits and bobs lying round the house, having a bit of a sort out, I found some bits of paper and thought the contents would be relevant to this thread.
Admins: Don't panic. The date given on this is September 2002, so not current. It's a rough jotting of an Arnos Grove duty, and thought I'd post as a good duty.
Mon - Fri Duty 31
On - 0633 Oakwood, Off 1114 Cockfosters Depot
Train 366
Cockfosters Dt 0655 to Uxbridge arr 0833 Uxbridge 0845 to Oakwood arr 1022 Oakwood 1022 to Cockfosters Dt 1027 - empty
M/R 1044 - 1114
Cool stuff, bet there's not many shifts that can match that.
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Post by Colin on Apr 16, 2006 2:34:36 GMT
No panic Alex, that's fine as it's not current. We do have a few duties at each depot that are of similar hours - though they are rare ;D ;D **an update to my earlier post's in this thread - i'm now 20th on the list for Upminster ;D ;D I was [rather foolishly] awaiting the outcome of the Acton Dispute ( see District board for more) - now I know the score, I will restart my efforts to move to a more easterly depot on another line, whilst keeping my name on the Upminster list.**
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2006 20:05:24 GMT
**an update to my earlier post's in this thread - i'm now 20th on the list for Upminster ;D ;D I was [rather foolishly] awaiting the outcome of the Acton Dispute ( see District board for more) - now I know the score, I will restart my efforts to move to a more easterly depot on another line, whilst keeping my name on the Upminster list.** You could always go and push some buttons at Seven Sisters ;D
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Post by Colin on Apr 16, 2006 21:19:22 GMT
My current thinking is the Central or East London lines. I don't fancy either - but if my travelling time to & from work is less, i'll be happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 14:15:57 GMT
What's the most number of trains anyone has heard of in a duty? I know of some that have four trains over the day but on some such as the Vic / Bakerloo this could me more. I also realise the W&C and ELL may probably hold this title, but I'm referring to 'normal' length lines.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 15:08:28 GMT
As far as I know (and certainly for Acton duties) the maximum trains in a shift is three. This is usually the first two for a few hours each, then an annoying ten minute step-back at Earl's Court to pick up the final train just to make us finish later get their money's worth from us! ;D Thankfully the three train duties are mainly weekends.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 23:01:56 GMT
There are definitely some 4-train duties at Earls Court at the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2006 23:14:09 GMT
There are definitely some 4-train duties at Earls Court at the weekend. Blimey! Of course when the sheets all change in June, they'll probably make life as difficult as possible for us Acton drivers (at least those drivers who don't get moved to ECT!) ;D
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 20, 2006 9:02:35 GMT
Surely lines with stepping back would have more train changes? Or would they not be counted as train changes for the purposes of keeping the number of trains per shift low?
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Post by marty on Apr 21, 2006 18:39:51 GMT
So here´s a nice duty
(I emailed a friend of mine who is an ex-Berlin Urban Rail (S-Bahn) driver)
Book on BWKRV (Westkreuz) 17.02 Book off SCHW DEPOT 01.55
17.02 S3 Train 10-60 BWRKV - BERK (Erkner) 18.01 18.13 S3 Train 10-60 BERK - BHF (Ostbahnhof) 18.47 18.57 s3 Train 10-60 BHF - BERK 19.31 19.43 S3 Train 10-60 BERK - BHF 20.17 Change Train / Rota Plate To S6 Train 60 20.26 S6 Train 60 BHF - BSWP (Schöneweide) 20.43 Detrain, Stable
M/B 21.00 - 21.55
22.01 S86 Train 73 BSWP - BSPF (Spindlersfeld) 22.06 22.10 S86 Train 73 BSPF - BHER (Herrmansstr) 22.28 22.49 s86 Train 73 BHER - BSPF 23.06 23.10 S86 Train 73 BSPF - BHER 23.28 23.49 S86 Train 73 BHER - BSPF 00.06 00.10 S86 Train 73 BSPF - BHER 00.28 00.49 S86 Train 73 BHER - BSPF 01.06 01.10 s86 Train 73 BSPF - BSWP 01.16
Couple with 1/2 Train on 24 Road 3/4 Train Transfer to 58 Road
Stable Train on 59 Road
Book off BSCHW DEPOT 01.55
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2006 18:43:24 GMT
Hmmm... that shunting is just what you need at the end of a long shift
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Post by Colin on Apr 21, 2006 20:44:04 GMT
So here´s a nice duty (I emailed a friend of mine who is an ex-Berlin Urban Rail (S-Bahn) driver) Book on BWKRV (Westkreuz) 17.02 Book off SCHW DEPOT 01.55 17.02 S3 Train 10-60 BWRKV - BERK (Erkner) 18.01 18.13 S3 Train 10-60 BERK - BHF (Ostbahnhof) 18.47 18.57 s3 Train 10-60 BHF - BERK 19.31 19.43 S3 Train 10-60 BERK - BHF 20.17 Change Train / Rota Plate To S6 Train 60 20.26 S6 Train 60 BHF - BSWP (Schöneweide) 20.43 Detrain, Stable M/B 21.00 - 21.55 22.01 S86 Train 73 BSWP - BSPF (Spindlersfeld) 22.06 22.10 S86 Train 73 BSPF - BHER (Herrmansstr) 22.28 22.49 s86 Train 73 BHER - BSPF 23.06 23.10 S86 Train 73 BSPF - BHER 23.28 23.49 S86 Train 73 BHER - BSPF 00.06 00.10 S86 Train 73 BSPF - BHER 00.28 00.49 S86 Train 73 BHER - BSPF 01.06 01.10 s86 Train 73 BSPF - BSWP 01.16 Couple with 1/2 Train on 24 Road 3/4 Train Transfer to 58 Road Stable Train on 59 Road Book off BSCHW DEPOT 01.55 You call that a nice duty? I'm glad you aint my boss!! 9 hour duty, 4 hours both halves and all that mucking about at the end. Urrgghhh, no thanks!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2006 21:31:45 GMT
Ah, but look at the turn round time at Herrmann Strasse. 21 minutes!!! Plenty of time to have a drink, eat a pack of crisps, or four in my case [!] or have a crafty smoke
Take the Rough with the Smooth....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2006 1:14:51 GMT
Interesting the second half of that S-bahn duty looks totally rubbish and is train 73... One of the worst Acton duties we have is 351 (which I was doing tonight) which also involves a train 73 (and lots of it - Bloody C stock! ;D)
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Post by marty on Apr 22, 2006 13:17:14 GMT
You call that a nice duty? I'm glad you aint my boss!! 9 hour duty, 4 hours both halves and all that mucking about at the end. Urrgghhh, no thanks!! ;D ;D ;D ;D You hate that one, well you´ll REALLY hate this one---- BOOK ON BBI (Birkenwerder) 17.00 BOOK OFF BSCHW DEPOT 02.00 Reserve BBI Road 18 (Train Res BWAI) 17.00 - 18.20Change Train Rota Plate to S8 Train 70 18.23 S8 Train 70 BBI - BGA (grünau) 19.27Change Train, Rota Plate to S86 Train 70 19.52 S86 Train 70 [EMPTY] BGA - BSWP (Schöneweide)Split 4/4 Train 24 Road 1. 1/4 becomes S86/71 (20.26) 2.1/4 becomes S86/72 (20.41) 3.1/4 becomes S86/73 (21.01) Stable 4.1/4 Train M/B 20.05-20.25 20.28 S46 Train 7(von BKW) BSWP-BWES(Westend) 21.03 21.18 S46 Train 7 BWES - BKW (Königs Wusterhausen) 22.17 22.23 S46 Train 7 BKW - BSWP (nach BWES) 22.48M/B 22.50-23.35 23.39 S8 Train 5 (von BBI) BSWP - BGA 23.47 00.07 S8 Train 5 BGA - BSWP(nach BBKB(Blankenburg)) 00.161/4 Train in 68 Road couple with 1/4 Train in 69 Road Transfer 1/2 Train to 87 Road Couple 1/2 Train with 1/4 Train in 87 Road Run 3/4 Train into Depot Call Shunter for LZF (Leerzugfahrten/Empty Stock Movements)of S9 Train 1, 3, 6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2006 13:40:15 GMT
There seems to be an awful lot of shunting and un/coupling involved with those duties! Thank goodness we don't have to be un/coupling trains all the time! ;D
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Post by marty on Apr 22, 2006 13:43:43 GMT
I wrote up the 2nd duty especially on Colins Comment about the lot of shuntin...
Should I write one up without that much shunting... (So that you ain´t get a false impression of Working in Berlins S-Bahn)
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Post by Colin on Apr 22, 2006 16:04:21 GMT
BOOK ON BBI (Birkenwerder) 17.00 BOOK OFF BSCHW DEPOT 02.00 Reserve BBI Road 18 (Train Res BWAI) 17.00 - 18.20Change Train Rota Plate to S8 Train 70 18.23 S8 Train 70 BBI - BGA (grünau) 19.27Change Train, Rota Plate to S86 Train 70 19.52 S86 Train 70 [EMPTY] BGA - BSWP (Schöneweide)Split 4/4 Train 24 Road 1. 1/4 becomes S86/71 (20.26) 2.1/4 becomes S86/72 (20.41) 3.1/4 becomes S86/73 (21.01) Stable 4.1/4 Train M/B 20.05-20.25 20.28 S46 Train 7(von BKW) BSWP-BWES(Westend) 21.03 21.18 S46 Train 7 BWES - BKW (Königs Wusterhausen) 22.17 22.23 S46 Train 7 BKW - BSWP (nach BWES) 22.48M/B 22.50-23.35 23.39 S8 Train 5 (von BBI) BSWP - BGA 23.47 00.07 S8 Train 5 BGA - BSWP(nach BBKB(Blankenburg)) 00.161/4 Train in 68 Road couple with 1/4 Train in 69 Road Transfer 1/2 Train to 87 Road Couple 1/2 Train with 1/4 Train in 87 Road Run 3/4 Train into Depot Call Shunter for LZF (Leerzugfahrten/Empty Stock Movements)of S9 Train 1, 3, 6 Whoever works in their timetabling department needs sacking!! What's that all about? I got lost after the second meal break (not too difficult me ;D ;D). Talking of meal breaks, nice to see it's two - but the first one is 2005 till 2025. I don't care where in the world you are, or what job you do, that aint a meal break - which means your proper meal break is at 2250, 5hrs 50 mins after booking on. 11 o'clock at night. Quality. Then there's all that shunting. Why? Like I say, Whoever works in their timetabling department needs sacking cos they clearly have no idea how to schedule trains and drivers.
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Post by marty on Apr 22, 2006 17:55:40 GMT
Whoever works in their timetabling department needs sacking!! What's that all about? I got lost after the second meal break (not too difficult me ;D ;D). Talking of meal breaks, nice to see it's two - but the first one is 2005 till 2025. I don't care where in the world you are, or what job you do, that aint a meal break - which means your proper meal break is at 2250, 5hrs 50 mins after booking on. 11 o'clock at night. Quality. Then there's all that shunting. Why? Like I say, Whoever works in their timetabling department needs sacking cos they clearly have no idea how to schedule trains and drivers. Whoever works in their timetabling department needs sacking!! Allright-my friend (ex SBahn these timetables are from ´99) told me that this is actually concerned as the worst duty in the whole network... that aint a meal break Have you actually read what it sais in the first part- 1700-1820 RESERVETRAIN which means 1 hr 20 mins sitting around in a cab, waiting for a broken train... Then there's all that shunting. Why? There are no flyunders that aren´t affected by normal trains from BSWPB to SWP - which means Empty Stock Movements have to happen while tracks from BSWPB to BSWP are empty... My Mate´s now working on a normal driving week- i´ll put that up as soon as he´s emailed me...
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Post by Colin on Apr 22, 2006 19:01:49 GMT
Yes I read the whole duty - and that first bit (1700 - 1820) is not a guaranteed do nothing portion. And it doesn't change the fact that the proper meal break is not until 2250. Obviously I don't know the area, so i'll accept the shunting needs to go on - but it don't half seem to make life hard, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2006 5:27:00 GMT
Surely lines with stepping back would have more train changes? Or would they not be counted as train changes for the purposes of keeping the number of trains per shift low? I think on the Vic line in a full (Mon - Fri daytime) duty you're looking at around seven trains I don't know what the Bakerloo line is like, but I've been told you can do five Elephant - QP rounders or three Harrows in a full length shift.
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Post by marty on Apr 23, 2006 10:01:08 GMT
That reserve train thing is actually a nearly guaranteed do nothing portion - my friend did that duty 36 times he was at the SBahn (96-99) and it was always "do-nothing-time" (once he had to assist a train into the sidings (emphasis on ONCE))
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 24, 2006 18:12:28 GMT
As some members know i am on the stations side and at my particular station, i do earlies [5-12] middles[8-4] or my favourite!dead lates [4-1].I hate this shift and will be starting my lates tomorrow and finishing next monday. It really screws your social life up, and you have to deal with people who have been at work all day and see you as a barrier stopping them getting home. 90% of the time i am on barrier on my own, which makes the shift seem twice as long. Earlies are my favourite.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 19:42:58 GMT
Commenting on Watford DC drivers - 4 round trips to Euston was always a killer in a 9 hour turn - 7 mins at Euston if on time and 15 mins at Watford. To give a break from the tedium - this was amended to 2 Wfd - En , 30 min break - one rounder on the St Albans branch and finish with a further rounder to London.
I used to try and persuade planners to arrange longer am turns with a shorter Sat late turn element to allow drivers to book off at a civilised hour - say 10pm to allow a modicum of sociability when booked off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 21:29:18 GMT
I remember asking my boss in my first job to alter the start time to allow us to cut away earlier. What did she - bring us in fifteen minutes earlier...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2006 3:53:08 GMT
I don't know what the Bakerloo line is like, but I've been told you can do five Elephant - QP rounders or three Harrows in a full length shift. There is an agreement on the Bakerloo where thay do a maximum of 6 Tunnels (Queens Park Elephant rounders)
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