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Post by Phil on Sept 15, 2005 12:48:51 GMT
What sort of good and horrible duties happened in days of yore?
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Post by Phil on Sept 15, 2005 12:51:36 GMT
My earliest early turn was 00:15 (A special duty for fiming a TV advert just before they opened Heathrow Central. (No, viewers didn't have to suffer seeing my face.)) My latest late turn was the last book on at Northfields which was at 16:30 for an eight hour duty so finishing at 00:30. EDIT: I hope I'm understanding this correctly? (post moved from Surveys)
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Post by q8 on Sept 16, 2005 23:51:49 GMT
Last duty at Upminster used to start 17:00 for 01:30 finish
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Post by towerman on Sept 17, 2005 0:29:05 GMT
No501 duty NOG book on 04:45 travel to SMD,take out T301 05:34 ex SMD off at W/PK NB,on the cushions to Stanmore,take out T362 07:21 Stanmore Sdgs direct to Cannons Pk then to W/Ham,detrain,stable in SMD,back to NOG book off.
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Post by towerman on Sept 17, 2005 0:30:34 GMT
Also at NOG some of their dead lates book on after 18:00 Mon-Fri and after 19:00 Sat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2005 6:17:03 GMT
Lasrt duty at Upminster used to start 17:00 for 01:30 finish It now books on 19.34 and stables at 00.53 (and has my name stamped on it )
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Post by Phil on Sept 17, 2005 9:35:36 GMT
Oh, so the Underground had it easier than the buses
Last driver/conductor duty at Edmonton garage on Saturdays in 1970 was book on 1915, meal relief 2330, book off 0300 Sunday- and this was an ordinary late shift not a night duty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2005 16:12:42 GMT
Oh, so the Underground had it easier than the buses Last driver/conductor duty at Edmonton garage on Saturdays in 1970 was book on 1915, meal relief 2330, book off 0300 Sunday- and this was an ordinary late shift not a night duty. We might have had and still have better turns than the buses, but you had better Canteens.
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Post by igelkotten on Sept 17, 2005 16:16:24 GMT
I'd say that there is more to a duty that just the starting and finishing times that determines if it is a horrible one or not.
For example, one of my allocated duties (I and three other drivers share three duties according to a rolling roster) is as follows:
Duty no 1965. Mon-Thur
Train 17/22 Gullmarsplan northbound 18:28 - to stabling in Vällingby depot 20:55.
10 minutes booking off time
Travel allowance Vällingby - Gullmarsplan 21:05 - 21:49
Train 19/37 Gullmarsplan northbound 23:05 to stabling in Högdalen depot 25:07 (that is, 01:07 am)
10 minutes booking off time.
22 minutes travel compensation time, since I start and finish in different locations.
Now, some poeple might not like this duty, since it finishes at 25:07, in a rather godforsaken area of Stockholm , too. And there is no meal relief on this duty -you only have a paid "pause" of 30 minutes, which can come into play if things go up the wall.
On the other hand, I consider this to be a very good duty. Not too much driving, and in the first part of the duty, you are running against the direction of the peak flow for quite a while, so you even escape the worst of the evening peak. And if you know when to hurry up, you can do both stablings before the timetabled time, giving you a nice long break and an early finish. The only finicky thing is your last trip southbound, since you pass the outlet from the Slakthuset engineer's depot just as the yellow diesel lemmings start pouring out, so you can be held up there for a while.
This duty is also a bit unusual in that it is a "compact" duty -you only drive two different traisn on your duty. The normal pattern is more on the lines of "drive for a while, have a short break, drive some more, have a meal relief, drive even more, have a short break, drive your last train and then go home", with the short breaks being on the order of 10-20 minutes and paid time.
Generally, the earliest of our driver duties on weekdays start at 04:30, and then finish around 11:50-12:00-ish. The latest weekday duties start at around 19:00-19:45 and finish around 26:00 (02:00 am). There are also a few overnight duties, which you have to have enormous amounts of seniority to bid for as a permanent job. They start at about 23:00 and finish at about 06:00 the day after.
Weekend duties are slightly different. The earliest ones begin at about 05:00, while there are several late night duties for the night trains that start at about 21:00 and finish at about 28:00 (04:00 am)
Some of the depot night staff are on a 7/7 schedule -they work 7 nights in a row with about nine hours per night, and are then off for seven days straight.
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Post by q8 on Sept 17, 2005 18:26:04 GMT
Had some real sods and some real beauties in my time. The last runner I quoted was in one WTT a real git. Book on 17:00 away at 17:30 for the following. Ealing - High Street - Wimbledon - Barking >> meal relief.
Same set number west bound after grub (and it had been to Upminster and uncoupled) Pick up on the westbound at 22:15 Then Richmond - Upminster - depot stable 01:32. Used to try to get to Upminster early as the westbound staff left at 01:32 as well. The night crew for that were from Barking at if they knew you were running from the depot for it they would wait. ( and you did have to run too) There were no nights at Upminster then.
As for early turns. Well the first runner booked on at 04:42 and finished at 12:30 after the next 5 duties had. This was not popular. IIRC the number three duty was up the road and back then stable then to SM's instructions except on Thursday when they had to do the depot paytrain at 11:30.
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Post by solidbond on Sept 17, 2005 20:51:37 GMT
Having only been at Upminster for the last 10 years, I don't know about the duties before Company Plan, but some of the rough turns I can mention are as follows. There used to be a late turn, approx 1530 start, bring 102 out of Upminster depot - straight to Ealing Broadway and back into Ealing Common depot. Had grub at Acton, then picked up Acton West - Ealing - Tower Hill - Wimbledon - High St Ken - Ealing - Upminster depot For an Upminster man to be going west THREE times after grub is rough! Another rough turn was 546 duty some 5-6 years ago. Picked up Upm platform - Wimbledon - Tower Hill - Earl's Court for grub. But as you were due to get off at 1912, you would invariably be running late. Trouble was, you only got 47 minutes before you were picking up on the East to do - ECT - Upminster - Ealing - Upminster depot. As I once commented, the only good thing about that duty was that it was well balanced - loads of work on the first half - and loads more on the second half ;D ;D As Igelkotten said, it is not just the start and finish times that make a bad duty. Sometimes you can get a short duty, but the way it is laid out can make it feel like a long duty. An example is where you book on about 1300, having had some lunch at home before going to work, then pick up at Upminster take the train to ECT, and have your meal relief. Since it is now only a couple of hours since you had lunch, you don't feel hungry. But then you pick up after the break, and have to do ECT - Wimbledon - Tower Hill - Wimbledon - Upminster. Halfway through that you are hungry again, but if you have anything to eat you won't be hungry when you get home for dinner
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Post by Phil on Sept 17, 2005 22:30:43 GMT
I can sympathise with that- we had a bus duty first half 0730 - 0945 then second half 1030 - 1530 with no more than a 10 min turnaround anywhere. What with running up and down stairs you were absolutely knackered by 1530: no wonder sickies were often pulled on that duty!
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Post by zman on Sept 17, 2005 22:35:31 GMT
The only way that I can have a short duty is to start at one end of the city and finish on the other end. Every crew has to do at least 8 hours on the clock, but if you finish at another terminal, they either have to pay you the time it actually takes to return to the starting terminal (at time and a half) or deduct it from the 8 hour day at straight time.
Our best duty would be one particular trick on the B. On at 0547 at Coney Island, make up a train for B service, make a one-way trip to Bedford Park Blvd, lay the train up at Concourse Yard then clear at CCYD at 1210. On the clock for 6:23 and get paid 8:00. Piece of cake! Got quite a few shunting jobs that are pretty nice too.
Our worst duty? Geez, we've got a slew of those. You have the choice of doing either three round trips on the C, four on the E or J or five on the L (it's bad with a second partner, OPTO makes it even worse.) You can take your pick, either one will give you 6½ to 7 hours ACTUAL driving time. Couple that with the fact that jobs start at all hours of the day, so imagine doing five round trips on the L in OPTO service, driving for a total of 6½ hours, starting at 0128 hours and finishing at 1047 (actual duty). No thanks.
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Post by igelkotten on Sept 18, 2005 0:30:20 GMT
Regarding working times, it should perhaps be noted that here in Stockholm, we are employed for a full time duty. The actual weekly hours worked depend on what times of the day you work, depending on your rostering schedule. If you only work monday-friday during the day (we have a few of those duties, partly for drivers with special needs, such as parents), then you work 40 hr/week. If you work nights and weekends, your weekly average might drop to 35 hours, because of working hours regulations.
This weekly average is calculated over a longer time period. from 3 to 12 weeks depending on what roster you work. Thus, an individual duty might be quite long, while another one is quite short. Depending on what roster you work, you might have a week where you are scheduled for 48 hours, followed by one of 24 hours.
Likewise, due to practical limitations and liumitations on the total amount we are permitted to work continously etc, most duty groups end up working less than their theoretical maximum. I ought to be working 36 hours per week, but I actually work only about 34 hours per week in this current duty group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2005 1:43:01 GMT
Just having a look at the Acton Town District duties. Obviuosly I don't work early shifts, but I think the best duty is 303 (mon-fri) which books on at 0447( ) and finishes at 1032. Not much driving on it either. The worst 'early' turn is probably 312, which books on at 0516 and doesn't finish until 1346. My favourite duty is 362, which books on at 1921 (so miss all of the peak traffic) and doesn't actually drive a train until 2121, which goes Earl's Court - Richmond - Upminster - Ealing - depot (last westbound service of the night). Books off ar 0130. On a Saturday, there's an even better early duty, which books on at 0445 and is finished by 0917 (although the meal break is at the end so is paid until 0953!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2005 9:11:43 GMT
Do you have many 'bitsa' duties on the trains? We used to have a Saturday duty which booked on at about 0930, travelled up to the bus station, then one trip on each of three buses, with around 5-12 mins changeover, then 40 mins (unpaid) meal releif (thanks TGWU), followed by another 2 buses, again one trip on each (both circulars taking 32 mins), then travel pass to the depot with 12 mins to pay-in and book off. This duty had the potential to go seriously awry if it was raining(!), when the town would gridlock. At least you'd have time for a decent break, as one of the trips would be caped with any luck due to late running. I always prefered Sat duty 601, on at 0523 same bus all the way through, releif in the bus station at 1102, off at the garage 1129. This would finish just as they were desperate for overtime volunteers! And IIRC, it had a 25min layover in the bus station at around 0800.
Bad duties? Straight lates! Yuk!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2005 14:48:32 GMT
Acton Town District has lots of 'bitsa' duties, although they're not officially duties!
They're called management cover turns, to cover the first trips for drivers booking on at Acton when we're supposed to be booking on at Earl's Court (we're still in dispute about remote booking on/off).
Some of these management cover turns have five or six different trains to cover on them, most of which are just west-to-east (eg ECTW-Wimbledon-ECTE).
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Post by Tom on Sept 18, 2005 20:58:21 GMT
Not a driving duty really, but my double manning turn on the Northern yesterday was 1800 - 0130. Spare until 2015 then T351 East Finchley - Morden - East Finchley and off for a break, about 2hrs in all. Then a half hour break and back on T357 East Finchley SB at 2245 with a night driver, we were booked Morden - Mill Hill - Finchley Central - Mill Hill - East Finchley.
By the time we got to Mill Hill it was 0120 so thankfully they decided to cancel our reversing move at Finchley Central and send the train straight back to depot.
Not my favourite way to work as I would have preferred to get a train immediately and finish a little earlier, this way they kept me for the full 7.5 hours. However, there was a hidden advantage as a special staff taxi was booked to take me home and saved me the best part of 1.5 hours.
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Post by Colin on Sept 19, 2005 1:14:00 GMT
Acton Town District has lots of 'bitsa' duties, although they're not officially duties! They're called management cover turns, to cover the first trips for drivers booking on at Acton when we're supposed to be booking on at Earl's Court (we're still in dispute about remote booking on/off). Some of these management cover turns have five or six different trains to cover on them, most of which are just west-to-east (eg ECTW-Wimbledon-ECTE). And very nice it's been too!! ;D ;D ;D As i'm in the 'pool' roster at Acton, I only get these 'special' duties. Pool drivers mainly cover Monday to Friday (weekend engineering and less customers make weekdays a priority) - I can't actually remember the last Saturday or Sunday I worked **thinks hard** must have been sometime in January ;D ;D. Because I can't get up in the mornings I tend to get the same couple of duties. First one - Book on 1130 Acton. Books off 1945 Acton. I haven't had it for a while but I think it has Ect - Wim, Ect - Bkg and Ect - Edg Rd on it. The second (and most weeks on the trot) - Book on 1730 Acton. Book off 0130 Acton. Ect - Upm - Ect, meal relief, Ect - Upm then last Richmond from Upm depot to Ect. The only downside to this is that I haven't driven a train to Richmond or Ealing for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2005 4:09:01 GMT
The only downside to this is that I haven't driven a train to Richmond or Ealing for a while. When you eventually get to Upminster you'll make up for that, we spend most of the time doing Richmonds and Ealings
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Post by Colin on Sept 21, 2005 1:56:28 GMT
When you eventually get to Upminster This time last year I entered the waiting list at No. 23. My current position is..................... No.23. Hmmm - could be a while yet!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 2:11:35 GMT
When you eventually get to Upminster This time last year I entered the waiting list at No. 23. My current position is..................... No.23. Hmmm - could be a while yet!! ;D ;D ;D You should move a bit by the end of the year. One I/O has just retired and there are at least 2 drivers I know of going at the end of this year
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 5:14:45 GMT
You'll have to encourage your colleagues to eat more Earl's Court canteen grub... That'll get rid of a few more! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2005 20:51:59 GMT
Try White City Canteen..... As I have not had the pleasure [or pain] in the Earls Court grub, I cant make a statement, but hey?
Brings back memories of a statment in the cubby hole 'crew room' at Epping: Favourite route - Work - home - pub, next to it was 'there and back'
There are, IMHO, three types of duty, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Good = Early Bad = Lates/dead lates Ugly = Nights and anything else.
I much perfer earlies, at least you get the rest of the afternoon to do whatever.
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Post by igelkotten on Sept 24, 2005 0:20:40 GMT
You should move a bit by the end of the year. One I/O has just retired and there are at least 2 drivers I know of going at the end of this year So, how many years of seniority do you need to be able to snag a permanent night position? Other duties?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 0:53:20 GMT
You should move a bit by the end of the year. One I/O has just retired and there are at least 2 drivers I know of going at the end of this year So, how many years of seniority do you need to be able to snag a permanent night position? Other duties? We have a Man who sorts out changeovers, known as a Mafia.Nights are not really sought after at Upminster, so they're quite easy for any driver to get. Early turns are the most sought after, and anyone wanting permanent earlies would have to join a waiting list.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 1:55:50 GMT
Colin, I notice in TC40 they're advertising for drivers for Loughton depot now. Would this be any use to you? I know it would mean learning the Central, but it would be a bit closer to home for you!
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Post by Colin on Sept 24, 2005 16:15:14 GMT
I was told this was coming up some time ago, so i've been giving it some thought - but the train driving for me? sounds too boring!! ;D. The problem here is that if put in for Loughton, i'll lose my place on the list for Upminster (which for those who don't know is 10 mins from home). I've been told of a possible way around this, but it needs more research!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 23:51:14 GMT
Think about it Colin open air and a big Upminster depot with the chance of re-furb stock or sit in tunnels all day no thanks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2005 0:23:29 GMT
You should move a bit by the end of the year. One I/O has just retired and there are at least 2 drivers I know of going at the end of this year Thats an improvement! ;D No. 19!!
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