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Post by jetblast787 on Jul 7, 2015 20:16:07 GMT
tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/tube-strikeJust wondering whether staff passes will be allow on NR. Hate the fact I have to confirm this through online forums rather than the intranet...
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Post by seaeagle on Jul 7, 2015 20:29:24 GMT
tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/tube-strikeJust wondering whether staff passes will be allow on NR. Hate the fact I have to confirm this through online forums rather than the intranet... The short answer is no. When your withdraw your labour you lose the use of the pass while you are in dispute, i.e. any strike days.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 7, 2015 20:42:32 GMT
tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/tube-strikeJust wondering whether staff passes will be allow on NR. Hate the fact I have to confirm this through online forums rather than the intranet... The short answer is no. When your withdraw your labour you lose the use of the pass while you are in dispute, i.e. any strike days. And if I recall the policy correctly even if you are not on strike you cannot use a staff pass on NR services which are normally outside the validity of the staff pass. You have to pay a fare like everyone else or else use DLR, Overground or Bus. If you have privilege fare facilities you can't travel to work on NR services on a strike day and pay the priv fare as the priv facility is for leisure travel. Normal full fare applies (unless you already a priv rate season ticket covering the journey you want to make and then the issue is academic anyway!). That's how it was when I was an employing manager but it MAY have changed since I left LU.
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Post by jetblast787 on Jul 7, 2015 21:16:56 GMT
tfl.gov.uk/modes/tube/tube-strikeJust wondering whether staff passes will be allow on NR. Hate the fact I have to confirm this through online forums rather than the intranet... The short answer is no. When your withdraw your labour you lose the use of the pass while you are in dispute, i.e. any strike days. Why assume I'm striking?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 7, 2015 21:50:21 GMT
If you are not striking Staff Passes would only be valid in Standard Class on the usual NR services; Upminster - Fenchurch St Stratford - Liverpool Street (non-LO) Kentish Town - Elephant & Castle or London Bridge Finsbury Park - Moorgate (via Drayton Park only) West Ruislip-South Ruislip Euston - Watford Junction (non-LO) Amersham - Marylebone London Overground TfL Rail
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Post by jetblast787 on Jul 7, 2015 22:08:12 GMT
If you are not striking Staff Passes would only be valid on the usual NR services; Upminster-Fenchurch St West Ruislip-South Ruislip Harrow-Amersham London Overground TfL Rail Cheers
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Post by philthetube on Jul 8, 2015 3:20:39 GMT
If you are not striking you should be able to claim back any additional expenses getting to work. Speak to your manager.
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Post by Red Dragon on Jul 8, 2015 18:31:21 GMT
Latest update at 19:29 08/07/2015, BST.
Bakerloo: Severe delays
Central: Severe delays
Circle: No service clockwise. SEVERE DELAYS anticlockwise.
District: Minor Delays
Hammersmith & City: Severe delays
Jubilee: Minor Delays
Metropolitan: No service between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Aldgate southbound only. SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line.
Northern: Minor delays.
Piccadilly: Severe delays (Note due to earlier “customer incident”
Victoria Line: Minor delays
W’loo and City, TfL Rail, DLR and LO: Good Service
Expect the delays to get worse towards the end of service, and don’t expect any trains tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 18:51:52 GMT
They have those signs in stations saying "D*n't t@ke !t out on our staff". Wouldn't mind a few "D*n't t@ke !t out on your customers" signs in mess rooms
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Post by domh245 on Jul 8, 2015 19:11:47 GMT
It seemed to me from looking at Opentimetrains' map, that the Wimbledon Branch was being prioritised (I'm guessing for the tennis) but it seems the last train has now left (and is at Wimbledon Park as I type)
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Post by superteacher on Jul 8, 2015 19:26:52 GMT
Well the TFL site is now saying there is no service on any lines, but advertising it as a "special service." Odd!
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Post by domh245 on Jul 8, 2015 19:31:21 GMT
I noticed that as well, but I also note that a train has appeared in Wimbledon P1 and appears to be about to head out (20:27).
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Post by superteacher on Jul 8, 2015 20:20:26 GMT
All lines now showing "suspended." Another long day coming up for some tomorrow.
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Post by jmm on Jul 9, 2015 9:35:49 GMT
I don't understand why the service was almost completely suspended long before ASLEF walked out. I know that the other unions started earlier. But the question is: if there are enough drivers (ASLEF represents most of them) and stations can remain open without staff if they are above ground, why didn't they offer service in some sections (i.e. Leytonstone to Epping)? Was it because of ASLEF drivers refusing to cross other picket lines or because a lack of line controllers or other critical staff? Or maybe just a decision of management?
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 9:47:52 GMT
I would guess its because their shifts maybe start before the strike, but end during the strikes.
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Post by seaeagle on Jul 9, 2015 10:13:49 GMT
I don't understand why the service was almost completely suspended long before ASLEF walked out. I know that the other unions started earlier. But the question is: if there are enough drivers (ASLEF represents most of them) and stations can remain open without staff if they are above ground, why didn't they offer service in some sections (i.e. Leytonstone to Epping)? Was it because of ASLEF drivers refusing to cross other picket lines or because a lack of line controllers or other critical staff? Or maybe just a decision of management? Thank you. Management wanting all trains in depots before any shift changes took place This is well worth a listen www.lbc.co.uk/are-you-against-the-striking-tube-drivers-listen-to-this-and-think-again-112552
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Post by Chris M on Jul 9, 2015 10:17:08 GMT
Yes, my understanding with these sorts of industrial action is that staff withdrawing their labour do so by refusing to work any shift that starts during the strike period, regardless of when it ends. So if the strike is 21:30 Day 1 to 21:29 day 2 and your shifts start at 21:00 both days then it is day 2's shift you will not work. Obviously the union will work out the timing to minimise the number of people whose shift pattern is so out of phase with the strike times but it can happen.
For something like a train operator this makes sense as otherwise they could just down tools wherever they happened to be at 21:30, even if that is between stations.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 9, 2015 10:27:17 GMT
For something like a train operator this makes sense as otherwise they could just down tools wherever they happened to be at 21:30, even if that is between stations. Instructions from the Trade Unions was for staff not to book-on after 1830 (RMT/TSSA), 2130 (ASLEF) and that staff already at work should complete their shifts. It seems Management decided to withdraw services early, fearing staff would simply walk-out at the designated hour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 10:30:18 GMT
Well quite. Certainly in the case of Aslef Shrugged: But once the shift is over that's it from you and, obviously, if your relief is due to book on after the start of the strike period there ain't gonna be anyone to take over. So if you're booked to get off the train at Leytonstone at 22:30 and be replaced by someone who was due to book on after the strike started, your train's gonna be left in the platform at Leytonstone with nobody to drive it if you're left to work until your booked finishing time. This would be detrimental to the service
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 9, 2015 10:41:06 GMT
But once the shift is over that's it from you and, obviously, if your relief is due to book on after the start of the strike period there ain't gonna be anyone to take over. So if you're booked to get off the train at Leytonstone at 22:30 and be replaced by someone who was due to book on after the strike started, your train's gonna be left in the platform at Leytonstone with nobody to drive it if you're left to work until your booked finishing time. This would be detrimental to the service Who should/shouldn't relieve is not the Operators problem. Trains cannot be left on a running line in this situation and should be taken to the nearest depot or siding, despite it being over the shift hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 10:55:10 GMT
Who should/shouldn't relieve is not the Operators problem. Very true, of course. Trains cannot be left on a running line in this situation and should be taken to the nearest depot or siding, despite it being over the shift hours. Yes, in all honesty I was surprised at how quickly it was all wound down. I guess I was just trying to flesh out why there would obviously be a need to revise the service and to explain where some of the problems were coming from. It does feel, from the outside, a little be like the relevant authorities just said 'ah, sod it, let's close her down' and that more of a service could have been run. But I'm not surprised that such a comprehensive walkout had a resounding effect. Do you know if the control rooms were fully staffed? If they weren't, I suppose that could have been a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 14:58:46 GMT
Will trains be up and running as normal tomorrow morning?
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Post by sawb on Jul 9, 2015 15:07:31 GMT
Probably won't know until tomorrow morning would be my guess, as there will be some not where they should be. Frankly, I'd be surprised if there weren't any cancelled/short tripped/other trains, at least for the morning peak. It'll probably sort itself out at some point i the day, probably after the morning peak though. Could late shift drivers in theory still book on to move trains around to where they're needed for tomorrow?
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Post by Chris W on Jul 9, 2015 15:30:32 GMT
Sorry... I'm arriving in the discussion late, but flippin heck... that is a seriously powerful, articulate and concise argument that James O'Brian puts forward there when broadcasting on LBC.... pick the bones out of that one... I went for a lunchtime walk around the City and yes its certainly busier today... perhaps though, it'll make many Londoners realise that stations, and this applies to almost anywhere in the inner circle, are very close to one another... Its been in a multitude of media websites in the past few days, but THIS MAP (TimeOut) demonstrates just how close some stations are
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 9, 2015 18:46:00 GMT
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Post by sawb on Jul 9, 2015 18:52:18 GMT
Sorry... I'm arriving in the discussion late, but flippin heck... that is a seriously powerful, articulate and concise argument that James O'Brian puts forward there when broadcasting on LBC.... pick the bones out of that one... I went for a lunchtime walk around the City and yes its certainly busier today... perhaps though, it'll make many Londoners realise that stations, and this applies to almost anywhere in the inner circle, are very close to one another... Its been in a multitude of media websites in the past few days, but THIS MAP (TimeOut) demonstrates just how close some stations are Surprised not to see Liverpool Street to Aldgate linked, but not Liverpool Street to Moorgate
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Post by Chris W on Jul 9, 2015 20:16:28 GMT
And today's losers IMO... as in those that have lost the moral ground following strike action... have beeeeeennnn.... Is it TfL.... ?? Is it the Unions.... ?? Nope... congratulations (should the article published by the Guardian be accurate) to..... UBERProving that Thatcherite supply and demand policies are alive and well !! Should the story be accurate.... from my POV... make a sentence out of the following words: earth.... the.... of.... scum !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 22:02:54 GMT
Will trains be up and running as normal tomorrow morning? The depot staff need to prep every train and they will only be returning to work this evening to do so instead of the normal round the clock maintenance I suspect a near normal service will run on all lines but there may be some cancellations.
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Post by North End on Jul 10, 2015 14:58:34 GMT
For something like a train operator this makes sense as otherwise they could just down tools wherever they happened to be at 21:30, even if that is between stations. Instructions from the Trade Unions was for staff not to book-on after 1830 (RMT/TSSA), 2130 (ASLEF) and that staff already at work should complete their shifts. It seems Management decided to withdraw services early, fearing staff would simply walk-out at the designated hour. I heard it said that the main issue was the Power Control and Shift Supply Engineer positions not being covered. Presumably the safety implication of that would be that any required recharge or reconfiguration of supplies could either not happen or take longer. There seems to have been a rumour that one of the unions (ASLEF?) was intending for train staff to stable once the designated hour came. This seemed to go out of the window as the start of the strike came near. I can't recall any strikes in recent years where this has happened -- it's always the case that any duty started is worked through to completion. Anyone know different?
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Post by Rich32 on Jul 10, 2015 16:42:57 GMT
I recall the TSSA doing something similar during at least one of the OSP strikes where the instructions were to down tools at 21:00 rather than finishing shifts, although at the station I worked on at the time, everyone, whether RMT or TSSA worked through to the end of their shift and closed up the station.
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