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Post by antharro on Jul 21, 2005 12:52:09 GMT
Warren Street, Oval and Shepards Bush stations evacuated and lines suspended. Also something on a bus.
BBC 1's running News24 at the mo.
Apparently smoke was seen at Warren Street, but no casualties as yet.
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Post by chris on Jul 21, 2005 13:02:52 GMT
Oh for f*cks sake
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Post by greatplum on Jul 21, 2005 13:04:30 GMT
Doesn't look like it was too bad - some detenators going off but no bombs... it seems they know what to do to bring the whole tube system down...
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 21, 2005 13:20:51 GMT
Doesn't look like it was too bad - some detenators going off but no bombs... it seems they know what to do to bring the whole tube system down... Firstly welcome greatplum (  )! I've been watching the coverage and it does look like someone's decided that doing some sort of copycat event might be good fun......... I hope I'm right! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2005 13:26:59 GMT
Doesn't look like it was too bad - some detenators going off but no bombs... it seems they know what to do to bring the whole tube system down... Firstly welcome greatplum ( )! I've been watching the coverage and it does look like someone's decided that doing some sort of copycat event might be good fun......... I hope I'm right! I hope you're right too Dave - mind you, it doesn't seem like 'fun' to me, nor many other people I'd imagine |
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Post by chris on Jul 21, 2005 13:30:52 GMT
Do they reckon it's extremists or just ordinary people haveing a 'joke'?
I doubt there'll be any fatalities or any more injuries since most prime places are evactuated. Still a bit of a wake up call.
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Post by Phil on Jul 21, 2005 14:02:20 GMT
Just heard your RMT union leader on BBC1 about the situation. Having said how magnificent all his staff were (true) he then went on to start saying that this proves that in these days one man on a train is not enough and if only...... at which point he was cut off (wisely) by the Beeb
What is it about his guy? Is he totally insensitive or just a dinosaur? He makes all RMT members look stupid.
(Don't forget I have argued for bringing back guards on this very forum)
I really feel sorry for you RMT guys- Your leader must be an embarrassment to you, however good the union is in other ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2005 15:06:19 GMT
Just heard your RMT union leader on BBC1 about the situation. I really feel sorry for you RMT guys- Your leader must be an embarrassment to you, however good the union is in other ways. You're obviously talking about Bob Crow, and yes he's a complete plank, and an idiot. |
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 21, 2005 16:14:30 GMT
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Post by Bill on Jul 21, 2005 16:14:41 GMT
I resent the comments of both rbruce and jim re: Bob Crow. While you're entitled to your own opinion, I believe your comments are uninformed and incorrect. I've met Bob Crow and he is a genuinely decent bloke. I have heard him speak on countless occasions, he is a powerful speaker and in my mind the best trade unionist this country has produced in years. He stands up for working people like you and me and is not afraid to speak out in our interests. As far as I'm aware he doesnt assault women and make racist comments unlike other alledged "trade unionists" I can think of. I am certainly not embarassed by him or anything else about the RMT, in fact I am immensely proud of my union and it's leader - i would rather stick pins in my eyes than be a member of either of the other two poor excuses for trade unions on the job. As for todays incident - yet more proof that the powers that be couldnt give a monkeys about the staff as long as the job is running.  |
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 21, 2005 16:20:20 GMT
I resent the comments of both rbruce and jim re: Bob Crow. While you're entitled to your own opinion, I believe your comments are uninformed and incorrect. I've met Bob Crow and he is a genuinely decent bloke. I have heard him speak on countless occasions, he is a powerful speaker and in my mind the best trade unionist this country has produced in years. He stands up for working people like you and me and is not afraid to speak out in our interests. As far as I'm aware he doesnt assault women and make racist comments unlike other alledged "trade unionists" I can think of. I am certainly not embarassed by him or anything else about the RMT, in fact I am immensely proud of my union and it's leader - i would rather stick pins in my eyes than be a member of either of the other two poor excuses for trade unions on the job. As for todays incident - yet more proof that the powers that be couldnt give a monkeys about the staff as long as the job is running. Bill - last chance..... Either sign up properly or I'll be converting this to a 'members only may post' forum - which I don't want to do, but if I do it'll all be thanks to you. You're entitled to your opinions, others to theirs, but at least stop hiding behind anonymity. Personally on the subject of Brother Crow, I'm with rbruce - but I would be, as I'm ASLEF anyway. IMHO Crow is a self-interested relic of the past. That's my opinion, and I'm just as entitled to it as you are to think the sun shines out of his rear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2005 16:22:59 GMT
I resent the comments of both rbruce and jim re: Bob Crow. While you're entitled to your own opinion, I believe your comments are uninformed and incorrect. I've met Bob Crow and he is a genuinely decent bloke. I have also met Bob Crow many times, I was based at Loughton and used to see him on a regular basis, he is an Idiot, he doesn't give a monkeys about his members, you are just strike fodder for him, don't be fooled by RMT hype! |
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Post by chris on Jul 21, 2005 16:52:14 GMT
Maybe we should just draw our attention to this:
"In light of recent events, some of us may have very strong feelings about things. Please remember that all of us on here are here for the same reason - an interest in London Underground. Please take time to consider what you write and think about how others may read or understand it - it's too easy for us to be overcome by emotions and inadvertently upset other contributors and readers."
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Post by q8 on Jul 21, 2005 16:55:10 GMT
WHOA! WHOA! WHAO!. Let's NOT turn this forum into the inter-union war that's been going on for years. Whilst I utterley agree with DD that this here "Bill" whoever he should become a proper member it doesn't do to slag off people because you don't agree with them. (yes I KNOW I may have been guilty of that myself)
Without slagging Bill off at all I think he is wrong to put posts on this forum with the sole interest of causing trouble as it seems to me that that is what his aim is.
So Biil either become a full member or F*CK OFF
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Post by banana on Jul 21, 2005 17:46:19 GMT
What's the problem with making it a "sign-up before you post" forum anyway?
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Post by banana on Jul 21, 2005 17:48:12 GMT
And what's all this about all the drivers on some lines don't want to work and all the drivers on the other lines do? Not sure what I think about this - I know that drivers are statistically more likely to be on a train than their "customers" but what kind of message does that send out?
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Post by Tom on Jul 21, 2005 18:03:15 GMT
Now on the subject of Bob Crow (and Dave, Alan and Solidbond feel free to delete this as you feel neccesary):
I don't personally think Bob Crow (or the RMT in general for that matter) have made any differences to my working conditions while I was in maintenance and even less now I'm in projects. In fact, I think he gives the rail workers in the UK an extremely bad press and is only looking to further his political career.
This is especially disappointing as his branch was/is LUL Signal Electrical and Track (as is mine) and he seems to have done nothing for us instead concentrating on LU Operational Staff.
My Rep (Management Admin and Technical) had also commented previously that he would rather strike for a single support fitter's job than any management grade. Not exactly what you want to hear from the individual who represents the management grades.
In fact I have had so little information from my branch regarding meetings etc I knew more about the workings of Igelkotten's union in Sweden than I did about my own, so much to the extent I'm considering leaving the RMT and going to a union more interested in my grade.
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Post by q8 on Jul 21, 2005 18:12:39 GMT
And what's all this about all the drivers on some lines don't want to work and all the drivers on the other lines do? Not sure what I think about this - I know that drivers are statistically more likely to be on a train than their "customers" but what kind of message does that send out?
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Mr Banana. I THINK that that item MAY come under the heading of "Media Sh*t Stirring"
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 21, 2005 18:27:44 GMT
And what's all this about all the drivers on some lines don't want to work and all the drivers on the other lines do? Not sure what I think about this - I know that drivers are statistically more likely to be on a train than their "customers" but what kind of message does that send out? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mr Banana. I THINK that that item MAY come under the heading of "Media Sh*t Stirring" Sadly, that doesn't seem to be the case. The BBC News site is carrying an item at news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4704031.stm where it appears that the Picc and B/loo drivers are refusing to work. This seems to be confirmed, as I've received a mail via another source (from a guy who's a Picc driver) which reads as follows (and I apologise for the rather 'robust' use of language)....... "Reports of some drivers refusing to drive trains, after todays incident, We cant let the bastards stop us from doing our work or else they have won. This is the nature of the industry that we work in we cant search people like on the airports, not feasible, lets start sticking together and I'm breaking the rules with a naughty word all of them." Personally, I think that sums it up pretty well. |
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Post by Phil on Jul 21, 2005 19:48:09 GMT
Oh dear- what have I done? My post about Mr. Crow was as a non- current national rail employee but one who is still interested in railway matters (i.e. almost a member of the public now). Every time there is a crisis, that worthy always seems to use and divert it as a demand for renationalisation, more staff, no open level crossings or some other thing completely separate from what the victims/relatives want to hear or are concerned about. It is utterly SHAMELESS and I would be saying exactly the same if it were John Prescott or Michael Howard saying it. The post was about disgusting opportunism not union membership as I think most of the regular posters realise |
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Post by banana on Jul 21, 2005 19:52:18 GMT
"Reports of some drivers refusing to drive trains, after todays incident, We cant let the bastards stop us from doing our work or else they have won. This is the nature of the industry that we work in we cant search people like on the airports, not feasible, lets start sticking together and f**k all of them.". Exactly. And following from my post . The drivers is *relatively* safer in his seperate compartment. The passengers are getting on with their lives, London's getting on with it's day-to-day functions, what's wrong with them? Smacks to me of opportunism for a few days off to be completely frank. |
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 21, 2005 20:18:19 GMT
Oh dear- what have I done? My post about Mr. Crow was as a non- current national rail employee but one who is still interested in railway matters (i.e. almost a member of the public now). Every time there is a crisis, that worthy always seems to use and divert it as a demand for renationalisation, more staff, no open level crossings or some other thing completely separate from what the victims/relatives want to hear or are concerned about. It is utterly SHAMELESS and I would be saying exactly the same if it were John Prescott or Michael Howard saying it. The post was about disgusting opportunism not union membership as I think most of the regular posters realise What have you done? Nothing - other than make a perfectly valid comment! I love the description of your self as a 'a non- current national rail employee but one who is still interested in railway matters (i.e. almost a member of the public now).'! Ah - but you miss the essential point? Once a railway employee, always a railway employee - even if resting. It's a bit like being an Actor luvvie!! I wholeheartedly agree with you about the use of such an 'opportunity' to fly other issues that (probably relevantly and legitimately) are on his agenda; these are not times to do such things, IMHO. Irrespective of my own union allegiance, I would hold the same view if it had been my General Secretary (or some other 'high up' representative of my union) that had behaved thus. |
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Post by citysig on Jul 22, 2005 8:48:11 GMT
With reference to the Bakerloo drivers (and some Jubilee Line drivers, though this wasn't reported.) The "action" was only taken for the first hour or so following yesterday's incidents.
Until it became clear exactly what had happened, I think they had reasonable cause to be concerned. Which deep-level tube lines had not been affected by any terrorist activity?
That is in no way scare-mongering. People should use both lines as normal and I am merely stating fact which anyone could work out (and the media probably already has pretty coloured graphics ready to demonstrate this.) But in the immediate aftermath of yesterday's attacks there was plenty of renewed panic by everyone.
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Post by greatplum on Jul 22, 2005 9:24:28 GMT
Many thanks for the welcome. I am called Greatplum because i am called that on all the sites I go onto - it's nothing dodgy, but it's a long and rather boring story! LOL  |
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 22, 2005 9:33:50 GMT
With reference to the Bakerloo drivers (and some Jubilee Line drivers, though this wasn't reported.) The "action" was only taken for the first hour or so following yesterday's incidents. Until it became clear exactly what had happened, I think they had reasonable cause to be concerned. Which deep-level tube lines had not been affected by any terrorist activity? That is in no way scare-mongering. People should use both lines as normal and I am merely stating fact which anyone could work out (and the media probably already has pretty coloured graphics ready to demonstrate this.) But in the immediate aftermath of yesterday's attacks there was plenty of renewed panic by everyone. I've now heard a bit more about the withdrawal of labour thing and, in fairness, I think the drivers in question had a point. It seems that despite what had happened, controllers on (at least) 'one line' hadn't bothered to even broadcast any sort of advisory statement about what had occurred and, as a result, there was concern over this lack of information. That does seem pretty poor to me. |
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Post by banana on Jul 22, 2005 16:47:35 GMT
It seems that despite what had happened, controllers on (at least) 'one line' hadn't bothered to even broadcast any sort of advisory statement about what had occurred and, as a result, there was concern over this lack of information. That does seem pretty poor to me. When was the service on the Piccadilly and Bakerloo lines restored then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2005 0:25:46 GMT
When was the service on the Piccadilly and Bakerloo lines restored then? Not sure about the Bakerloo, but the Picc wasn't resumed until start of traffic this morning (Friday). Had a bit of an experience myself this evening. Got into Upminster (P3) and was changing ends when I noticed in the 3rd car someone had left a JJB sports bag actually TIED to one of the seats. Needless to say I executed the RLF* manoeuver and closed the train up advising people to stand clear. I called the controller to summon a DMT, however before he arrived, I spotted a Met police officer on platform 1. I beckoned him over and he came and looked. He wasn't very happy, but nevertheless advised us to stand back and he entered via the butterfly cock to check it. He was very delicate while examining it and eventually declared he could see through the top that it was just rubbish. He also said that it had probably been left deliberately to stir a reaction. Two things which really pi$$ me off about this: 1. No-one (and there were quite a few on the train) bothered to pull a handle or tell anyone about the fact there was a bag left in such a suspicious position. 2. The fact that there are some sick bastards out there who are obviously out to cause as much chaos as possible by setting up hoaxes like this. I wish it had been a refurb, then we'd have had a nice photo of the Richard Head to display (or preferably to trace and prosecute). * RLF = Run Like F***! |
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