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Post by domh245 on May 15, 2015 20:51:39 GMT
For the most part, the only effect will be making lines busier, especially those that serve/parallel mainline services. However, assuming the strike does go ahead, we can expect to see the bakerloo line being spannered north of Queens park, and on the District line, between Richmond and Turnham green, and between Wimbledon and East Putney. What will happen then service-wise if the strike does go ahead? I'm assuming the service will simply be abandoned south of Turnham Green, and North of Queen's park, but what will happen with the Wimbledon Branch. Reversing at East Putney will be out of the question because the points are Network Rail controlled, so I am assuming that most services will only get as far as Parson's Green. Will there be a token number of services to Putney Bridge using the crossover on the bridge, or is that also Network Rail controlled?
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Post by North End on May 15, 2015 23:38:50 GMT
For the most part, the only effect will be making lines busier, especially those that serve/parallel mainline services. However, assuming the strike does go ahead, we can expect to see the bakerloo line being spannered north of Queens park, and on the District line, between Richmond and Turnham green, and between Wimbledon and East Putney. What will happen then service-wise if the strike does go ahead? I'm assuming the service will simply be abandoned south of Turnham Green, and North of Queen's park, but what will happen with the Wimbledon Branch. Reversing at East Putney will be out of the question because the points are Network Rail controlled, so I am assuming that most services will only get as far as Parson's Green. Will there be a token number of services to Putney Bridge using the crossover on the bridge, or is that also Network Rail controlled? If the relevant signalling centre panels or desks can't be staffed, then yes LUL would not be able to run over the NR sections. Also, possibly look out for a bit of disruption on LUL due to staff not being able to get to work if mainline trains don't run. This could cause a few cancelled trains, or maybe some stations could end up short of staff. The latter may be able to be mitigated against by using licensed staff (qualified managers or overtime) to make up numbers. Worst case for LUL is if control room staff can't get to work, but I'd expect plans to be put into place to ensure this doesn't happen, again using qualified managers or overtime. I'd expect each business will look through which staff are booked to be working on the days concerned and identify any staff who might use NR to get to work, especially the line control rooms, and make arrangements as necessary. Generally LUL puts a lot of effort into developing contingencies for these sorts of events, so I'd expect disruption to be minimised.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 10:01:03 GMT
I'm not 100% sure a S stock can reverse on the bridge
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Post by Chris M on May 16, 2015 11:20:10 GMT
I'd expect each business will look through which staff are booked to be working on the days concerned and identify any staff who might use NR to get to work, especially the line control rooms, and make arrangements as necessary. "Might" use NR to get to work? Can you not ask staff how they get to work?
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Post by superteacher on May 16, 2015 11:33:38 GMT
I'm not 100% sure a S stock can reverse on the bridge What would be the reason for that?
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 16, 2015 11:50:20 GMT
I'm not 100% sure a S stock can reverse on the bridge No restrictions on using this crossover.
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Post by North End on May 16, 2015 16:53:54 GMT
I'd expect each business will look through which staff are booked to be working on the days concerned and identify any staff who might use NR to get to work, especially the line control rooms, and make arrangements as necessary. "Might" use NR to get to work? Can you not ask staff how they get to work? If they're around, yes. However there is an agreement that management will not contact staff when off-duty, so technically there's no way to contact staff who are off duty for whatever reason. Depending on relations at a given location there are one or two ways round this however.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 19:19:07 GMT
I'm not 100% sure a S stock can reverse on the bridge No restrictions on using this crossover. From next Easter there will be when its removed though
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Post by superteacher on May 16, 2015 20:22:34 GMT
I didn't think they were removing the crossover, just the bay platform.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 16, 2015 21:17:31 GMT
I didn't think they were removing the crossover, just the bay platform. End Track layout will see all points removed from Putney Bridge, with no reversing facilities there or East Putney.
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Post by superteacher on May 16, 2015 21:28:21 GMT
I didn't think they were removing the crossover, just the bay platform. End Track layout will see all points removed from Putney Bridge, with no reversing facilities there or East Putney. Seems a bit odd that they would want to reduce flexibility like that. Progress for you I suppose . . .
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 23:10:25 GMT
9 and 10 points removed this year 8 gets removed next year at easter. Starting from July this year you will see the start of the end state layouts starting to be removed.
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Post by bassmike on May 17, 2015 10:08:39 GMT
Is there any intention to rationalise P.B (ie: re-instate the bay road as southbound track and remove the present southbound track which is perched on a steel erection with sharpish curves at each end) ?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 11:37:32 GMT
Correct all to be finished when the points on the bridge are removed
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Post by Tomcakes on May 18, 2015 22:24:30 GMT
"Might" use NR to get to work? Can you not ask staff how they get to work? If they're around, yes. However there is an agreement that management will not contact staff when off-duty, so technically there's no way to contact staff who are off duty for whatever reason. Depending on relations at a given location there are one or two ways round this however. OK, I guess in a depot of hundreds of drivers you might not know everyone - but surely you kind of know enough about your colleagues to know that Alf walks to the station and gets NR, Bert drives, Charlie zipwires in etc? Assuming you've asked people in advance, only those on A/L would be missed and you could presumably work out the smaller number. Are additional staff put on standby, managers on call, people who can definitely get in told to turn up on overtime? Would LUL arrange for taxis if a crucial member of staff was unable to attend work? As an aside - when there is disruption to public transport, many employers will make sympathetic noises but ultimately state that "it is the responsibility of the employee to get him/herself to work at the start of their shift" - what happens with LUL staff when there are delays? It'd be rather hypocritical if the same were applied. Is there a difference if there is a delay on NR?
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Post by North End on May 19, 2015 0:34:49 GMT
If they're around, yes. However there is an agreement that management will not contact staff when off-duty, so technically there's no way to contact staff who are off duty for whatever reason. Depending on relations at a given location there are one or two ways round this however. OK, I guess in a depot of hundreds of drivers you might not know everyone - but surely you kind of know enough about your colleagues to know that Alf walks to the station and gets NR, Bert drives, Charlie zipwires in etc? Assuming you've asked people in advance, only those on A/L would be missed and you could presumably work out the smaller number. Are additional staff put on standby, managers on call, people who can definitely get in told to turn up on overtime? Would LUL arrange for taxis if a crucial member of staff was unable to attend work? As an aside - when there is disruption to public transport, many employers will make sympathetic noises but ultimately state that "it is the responsibility of the employee to get him/herself to work at the start of their shift" - what happens with LUL staff when there are delays? It'd be rather hypocritical if the same were applied. Is there a difference if there is a delay on NR? First of all, many depots have more than 100 drivers. Morden, for example, has a headcount of 230. LUL is generally moving back to the idea of smaller depots for the very reason that they are easier to manage. The era of the "superdepot" is coming to an end, and the large depots like Arnos Grove and Acton Town are unlikely to be repeated. For train staff, it's a case of identifying which duties are likely to be affected, and then attempting to juggle the coverage to find a way of covering the duty. Ideally, an affected driver would seek to swap their rest days with someone else in order to avoid the issue - at the end of the day it still remains the driver's responsibility to get to work. Any planned training or other release might be cancelled, with those drivers either reverting to their rostered duty (if enough notice given) or becoming additional spares. If duties remain uncovered by close of traffic the previous day, all depots on a line will work together to devise a coverage plan that seeks to cover all duties, and failing that will as far as possible aim to cancel as few trains as possible, picking the least disruptive trains/duties. The bigger problem is when one hour before the book-on time the desk gets a phone-call along the lines of "I'm stuck at X, my mainline train isn't running and I've no idea when I will be in". This is where the spares get called upon, so having as many spares as possible in the messroom is generally the best way to avoid disruption. Staff are generally very professional and in my experience this is quite rare, however there will always be someone who gets caught out. In management grades, again training can be cancelled - this also has the benefit of releasing trainers as well to perform duties as required. Overtime is an option, or duties can be re-arranged to that some less vital duties are left uncovered. The caveat however is that staff can only perform tasks they are licensed to do, and must be familiar with the location. Under normal circumstances, a member of staff late or absent will be booked such. In the case of lateness, any item of lateness will trigger an interview with a manager where the circumstances will be discussed and documented. At the locations I'm familiar with, normally a national rail delay will be accepted, however I would certainly ask the employee to provide supporting evidence. If the employee was making a habit of being delayed on national rail, there would likely be a discussion along the lines of whether enough time is being allowed for the journey. If unable to come to work at all, again the circumstances would be discussed and documented upon returning to work, again I would expect evidence to be provided. The interview would also consider how proactive the employee has been in attempting to get to work. Normally the employee would be expected to take the day as annual leave. If this can't be done for whatever reason, the day could remain recorded as "absent", which would result in pay being deducted, and will also count towards the employee's sickness record.
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Post by will on May 20, 2015 19:19:01 GMT
The TFL website shows possible disruption due to planned Network rail strike action. It includes the usual about the Bakerloo etc but if the strike goes ahead the Waterloo and City will be suspended.
Does the line still rely on Network Rail infrastructure or are they just sacrificing the service to ensure reliability on the Central line as they share drivers?
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Post by domh245 on May 20, 2015 20:27:31 GMT
As mentioned earlier, the W&C's power is fed from NR supplies, which will be off because they won't have the control room staff at the control room in Raynes Park
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Post by rincew1nd on May 20, 2015 20:39:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 13:48:12 GMT
According to the BBC it's been called off.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 21, 2015 16:08:33 GMT
Confirmed, strike is off.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 10, 2015 15:47:47 GMT
9 and 10 points removed this year 8 gets removed next year at easter. Starting from July this year you will see the start of the end state layouts starting to be removed. 9 and 10 points at Putney Bridge removed this coming weekend, track plain-lined. July 18/19 should see removal of Gloucester Road 228 points (WB Circle>WB District) October 10/11 should see removal of Hornchurch crossover.
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Post by londonstuff on Jun 10, 2015 16:45:07 GMT
9 and 10 points removed this year 8 gets removed next year at easter. Starting from July this year you will see the start of the end state layouts starting to be removed. 9 and 10 points at Putney Bridge removed this coming weekend, track plain-lined. July 18/19 should see removal of Gloucester Road 228 points (WB Circle>WB District) October 10/11 should see removal of Hornchurch crossover. I can see the point of removing some points that are little used and require maintenance. Aren't the points from the Circle to the District at Gloucester Rd relatively useful in the case of the points onto the District after South Ken failing? Aren't those point occasionally used during disruption, etc.? This is way off topic. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 17:22:35 GMT
There is a plan for South Ken when 228 gets removed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 17:28:51 GMT
I, too, would love to know more about the grand plan here. I was very surprised to learn that Hornchurch would be losing its reversing facilities as well. I knew Putney Bridge would lose its crossover, but it still seems strange to me to take that out now. The loss of 228 points seems on the face of it a bit bizarre. Apart from anything else - why now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 17:57:19 GMT
I, too, would love to know more about the grand plan here. I was very surprised to learn that Hornchurch would be losing its reversing facilities as well. I knew Putney Bridge would lose its crossover, but it still seems strange to me to take that out now. The loss of 228 points seems on the face of it a bit bizarre. Apart from anything else - why now? Putney Bridge is losing the bay road that can't be used by S stock anyway and when the bay becomes the southbound through road there's a small speed improvement. The end state plan is about a balance between operational flexibility and reducing maintenance costs for moves that are not used that often (accepting that when they are used they are important). 228 is coming out now because of other works in the area so more cost effective. In the long term (and it is now even longer term Gloucester Road, South Ken and Embankment would be replaced by a new scissors crossover at Westminster). In most cases the changes need to be made before Thales start work on design and need track layout designs locked down.
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