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Post by redbond on Jul 7, 2016 18:28:56 GMT
Expect to see more extreme measures of service recovery. Due to the change of "on time" meaning arriving within 5 minutes of scheduled time to within 3 minutes, and having to pay TfL a small percentage of delay fines caused by OTHER operators, regardless who's fault it was, they will be highly incentivised to get back to time. So expect more running fast and missing out stations, terminating early and as used to happen on the East London Line, suspend the service, return all trains to the depot and start from scratch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 19:27:09 GMT
Expect to see more extreme measures of service recovery. Due to the change of "on time" meaning arriving within 5 minutes of scheduled time to within 3 minutes, and having to pay TfL a small percentage of delay fines caused by OTHER operators, regardless who's fault it was, they will be highly incentivised to get back to time. So expect more running fast and missing out stations, terminating early and as used to happen on the East London Line, suspend the service, return all trains to the depot and start from scratch. Would that not be countered by the fact that points are being deducted or not awarded for things like this (by points I'm obviously talking figuratively. Money is really what I mean ) www.londonreconnections.com/2016/orange-futures-a-brief-look-at-the-new-overground-concession/
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Post by pib on Nov 14, 2016 11:48:18 GMT
New Arriva Concession commenced yesterday (13th Nov).
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 14, 2016 20:54:23 GMT
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Post by stapler on Nov 15, 2016 8:23:17 GMT
Interesting that the "cover picture" on contact us shows a pristine 378 in a curved platform, which would make it impossible for any mobility-challenger passenger to get on said train. And as for the armies of smiling people, I don't see them that often round the Overground. It's as bad as promotional literature produced by the NHS.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 15, 2016 12:11:59 GMT
Interesting that the "cover picture" on contact us shows a pristine 378 in a curved platform, which would make it impossible for any mobility-challenger passenger to get on said train. And as for the armies of smiling people, I don't see them that often round the Overground. It's as bad as promotional literature produced by the NHS. Would you allow your company's literature to go out featuring hoards of miserable looking employees on it? Of course you wouldn't, and neither would anybody else I'd guess. The picture of the train does indeed show a mobility challenged passenger problem but then again it's being realistic in as much as there are places such as this on the Overground - a good many of them most likely - where this is encountered. The route maps are there to give best information for those planning travel with level access. I know from previous posts that the thought of Arriva fills you with ire for some reason but they've been involved with, and have delivered, the highly successful LO franchise since it started and deserve credit for it. I see no need to run for the hills in panic just yet.
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Post by stapler on Nov 15, 2016 13:02:44 GMT
Actually, I regard Arriva rather better than many of the other TOCs! As a rule, I think I'd prefer promotional literature to feature neutral expressions, not exlcusively models saying cheese!
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Post by snoggle on Feb 28, 2017 1:13:12 GMT
Just had a look at the new Overground concession agreement. A few little snippets. First class 710 EMU is supposed to be available for passenger service 11 Dec 2017. No line / route is specified. The specified contract options for extra services in the Concession are 1. Extra 2 tph all day on the North London Line (Stratford to Clapham Junction via Willesden). This is dependent on 710s being deployed to the Watford Line to release 378s. 2. Extra 2 tph all day on the ELL from Dalston to Crystal Palace. This is dependent on 710s being deployed to the Watford Line to release 378s. 3. Extra 2 tph on the ELL from Dalston to Clapham Junction. This would require 4 extra *5 car* class 710s being bought and deployed on NLL services to release 378s to the ELL. 4. Extra 2 tph on West Anglia - peaks Seven Sisters to Enfield Town, off peak Liv St - Enfield Town. This would require 2 more Class 710s being procured. 5. Extra 1 tph on Euston - Watford line services. This would require 2 more Class 710s being procured. 6. Extra 1 tph on the GOBLIN (so up to 5 tph). This would require 1 more Class 710 being procured. 7. Extended services from Barking to Barking Riverside and operation of Barking Riverside station. This would require 2 more Class 710s being procured. 8. Operation of 2 tph from Stratford to Meridian Water (Angel Road) and taking on the operation of Meridian Water, Northumberland Park and Lea Bridge Stations. This would require 2 more Class 710s being procured. Options 1 and 2 appear to be mutually exclusive as they both rely on the same number of trains being release from Eus - Watford services. Other than for option 3 all extra Class 710 EMUs would be 4 car units. The dates have been redacted in the document (no surprise there) and several of the options are dependent on Rail for London (TfL) procuring the supply of additional class 710 trains. To be fair most of the above are not new and have been discussed many times before. However it is always interesting to see things confirmed in print. Obviously it is worth saying that these are all options and none / some / all of them may be taken up depending on circumstances.
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Post by jukes on Feb 28, 2017 18:33:02 GMT
In the class 710 contract the first 3 710/2 dual voltage units could be delivered ready for service in Dec 2017 and it was intended should be for GOB services. The contract does say that this is the earliest date - the latest being February 2018. The contract also makes provision for up to 24 additional (option) units and for extending any or all of the original 45 or any or all of the 24 option units to 5 cars.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 1, 2017 12:33:57 GMT
In the class 710 contract the first 3 710/2 dual voltage units could be delivered ready for service in Dec 2017 and it was intended should be for GOB services. The contract does say that this is the earliest date - the latest being February 2018. The contract also makes provision for up to 24 additional (option) units and for extending any or all of the original 45 or any or all of the 24 option units to 5 cars. I've tried to find that contract but have been unsuccessful. I have seen a couple of references to the points you make above. Clearly the rolling stock contract has to run slightly ahead of the obligations placed on the train operator to have trains in service given the split of responsibilities between Rail for London, Bombardier and Arriva Rail London.
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Post by jukes on Mar 2, 2017 11:53:14 GMT
The 710 contracts are to be found on the TfL contracts finder site
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Post by snoggle on Jul 26, 2017 14:56:07 GMT
On the newly updated Planned track closures page it is noteworthy that the Christmas and New Year period have now been added and Overground services are shown as not running only on Christmas Day. This rather suggests the planned contract option of providing a Boxing Day Overground service has been activated by TfL. There is an obvious note of caution for the GOBLIN service as we know two more blockades are planned, one of which straddles the Christmas and New Year period.
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