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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 17:59:52 GMT
I have to admit this should have occurred to me before as a regular user of the line, but unless I have gone blind there are no monitors or mirrors for Train Ops to check doors for departure. Is this a hangover from BR ownership and does it mean there is a derogation to allow the line to operate like this?
I don't see an issue, but I can see that the more H&S minded (i.e. lacking common sense) may think that it is a risk and easy to get someone stuck in the doors. Of course in that case there would be no interlock, but I suppose it is possible a more vulnerable member of society could manage to injure themselves if they fail to notice the doors are shutting. I also notice that Train Ops are quite variable in their approach to announcing departure and therefore doors shutting - it ranges from multiple warnings and ensuring the tone goes, then a second time actually shutting the doors to simply pushing door close and leaving it at that (i.e. tones will be enough). The latter approach relies on the sounders being in good nick (some aren't).
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Post by pgb on Feb 19, 2015 18:07:30 GMT
I have to admit this should have occurred to me before as a regular user of the line, but unless I have gone blind there are no monitors or mirrors for Train Ops to check doors for departure. Is this a hangover from BR ownership and does it mean there is a derogation to allow the line to operate like this?
I don't see an issue, but I can see that the more H&S minded (i.e. lacking common sense) may think that it is a risk and easy to get someone stuck in the doors. Of course in that case there would be no interlock, but I suppose it is possible a more vulnerable member of society could manage to injure themselves if they fail to notice the doors are shutting. I also notice that Train Ops are quite variable in their approach to announcing departure and therefore doors shutting - it ranges from multiple warnings and ensuring the tone goes, then a second time actually shutting the doors to simply pushing door close and leaving it at that (i.e. tones will be enough). The latter approach relies on the sounders being in good nick (some aren't).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 18:10:30 GMT
Forehead slapping moment  Yes that makes sense! Honestly did not think the 92 stock was fitted with this. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 18:24:25 GMT
They was the first stock to have in cab cctv
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 20:35:19 GMT
The PTI (Platform Train Interface) is, I believe, the point where the most injuries occur on the railway. We've had a good number of discussions on the topic, most notably an interesting one about a report into a recent incident at Holborn: LinkThere is absolutely no question of the OPO lines operating without any way to monitor the platform and boarding and alighting. If the tube ever goes UTO (Unattended Train Operation) I suppose it'll have to be a different story - Platform Edge Doors are almost certain to feature - but the Waterloo & City line is by no means there yet. The old trainweb site has some good pictures of the 1992 stock cab. The monitor can be clearly seen in this one. And here is some quite nice footage of what the Train Op actually sees. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:07:11 GMT
Thanks everyone - very useful and makes sense. As soon as I saw pgb's reply I thought how stupid it is obvious!
Indeed tut - it is certainly the riskiest place as far as the users are concerned and injury. Let's not get drawn into a debate on any future post OPO use where understandably people get quite excited: guess that will have to be crossed when we get there!
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Yes that makes sense! Honestly did not think the 92 stock was fitted with this.
