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Post by silverfoxcc on Feb 10, 2015 23:16:36 GMT
Last year ( Aug) i did as i do every year. Renewed senior railcard and on arrival at a manned LU (Hillingdon) station, the clerk validated the oyster card to recognise is was a 'Senior'
This year as things are going There will not be a manned station at any of my normal start stations.
Question is How will i get it vaidated without having to go to one of the few stations that are left?
Or Hasnt Boris's elves not thought that far forward
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Post by snoggle on Feb 10, 2015 23:38:05 GMT
Last year ( Aug) i did as i do every year. Renewed senior railcard and on arrival at a manned LU (Hillingdon) station, the clerk validated the oyster card to recognise is was a 'Senior' This year as things are going There will not be a manned station at any of my normal start stations. Question is How will i get it vaidated without having to go to one of the few stations that are left? Or Hasnt Boris's elves not thought that far forward AIUI the person in the ticket hall, ever eager to help you, will be able to sign on to one of the passenger operated machines and confirm your railcard discount at that machine and your Oyster Card will be updated at the same time by touching the card on the machine reader. In other words some of the ticket office machine functionality is being ported across to the passenger machines when they are put into "staff mode" by a trained member of staff. Happy to be corrected if that is not the case.
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Post by class411 on Feb 11, 2015 8:35:03 GMT
Last year ( Aug) i did as i do every year. Renewed senior railcard and on arrival at a manned LU (Hillingdon) station, the clerk validated the oyster card to recognise is was a 'Senior' This year as things are going There will not be a manned station at any of my normal start stations. Question is How will i get it vaidated without having to go to one of the few stations that are left? Or Hasnt Boris's elves not thought that far forward AIUI the person in the ticket hall, ever eager to help you, will be able to sign on to one of the passenger operated machines and confirm your railcard discount at that machine and your Oyster Card will be updated at the same time by touching the card on the machine reader. In other words some of the ticket office machine functionality is being ported across to the passenger machines when they are put into "staff mode" by a trained member of staff. Happy to be corrected if that is not the case. The only correction I would make is that you have used a putative 'man' when the OP was talking about unmanned stations. There are several small stations I use where there is often not a soul to be seen.
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Post by brigham on Feb 11, 2015 9:56:08 GMT
You probably still won't be able to renew at an unmanned station, even after the new arrangements come into force.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 11, 2015 10:18:13 GMT
As I understand it all TfL stations will be staffed, whether or not there is a ticket office. Whether you can find the staff is another matter. But if the OP's normal start stations are NR ones he might have a problem.
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Post by stapler on Feb 11, 2015 14:26:27 GMT
Can't see why it can't be done over the phone. After all, I can buy a NR ticket online without showing a railcard - woe betide if I use it without showing the railcard!
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Post by class411 on Feb 11, 2015 15:06:08 GMT
Can't see why it can't be done over the phone. After all, I can buy a NR ticket online without showing a railcard - woe betide if I use it without showing the railcard! I've been using mine for the last four years or so and have only been asked to show it once. (Tickets via Red Spotted Hanky - I've just realised that the reason I'm not asked to show it is probably because the ticket doesn't look as if it's 'machine vended', even if it was picked up from a machine.) Just as well, really, as I had mis-set the reminder a couple of years back and used it for three months after it had expired. It would have been extremely embarrassing if I had been asked to show it.
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Post by rdm on Feb 11, 2015 15:22:51 GMT
An allied question if I may please - after all local ticket offices are closed how will one be able to purchase privilege tickets on request? It was bad enough when ticket office hours were reduced and as I am now ancient enough to have a Freedom Pass I'm not affected, but I do have priv-entitled friends from outside London. I seem to recall that on the Tyne & Wear Metro the priv. rate equated to the child rate and enforcement was via the on-train revenue protection staff, but I'm not sure that would work on LUL.
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Post by su31 on Feb 11, 2015 16:09:05 GMT
An allied question if I may please - after all local ticket offices are closed how will one be able to purchase privilege tickets on request? It was bad enough when ticket office hours were reduced and as I am now ancient enough to have a Freedom Pass I'm not affected, but I do have priv-entitled friends from outside London. I seem to recall that on the Tyne & Wear Metro the priv. rate equated to the child rate and enforcement was via the on-train revenue protection staff, but I'm not sure that would work on LUL. With effect from the January 2015 fares revision, Priv single and return tickets were abolished. The Priv day card also went a couple of years ago too. Now, anyone with a PTAC is expected to have an Oyster Card with the Priv rate discount set. Also, with regards to the original question, I can confirm that a growing number of LU staff can add railcard discounts to Oyster Cards at the ticket machines.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 11, 2015 16:12:21 GMT
AIUI the person in the ticket hall, ever eager to help you, will be able to sign on to one of the passenger operated machines and confirm your railcard discount at that machine and your Oyster Card will be updated at the same time by touching the card on the machine reader. In other words some of the ticket office machine functionality is being ported across to the passenger machines when they are put into "staff mode" by a trained member of staff. Happy to be corrected if that is not the case. The only correction I would make is that you have used a putative 'man' when the OP was talking about unmanned stations. There are several small stations I use where there is often not a soul to be seen. Fair enough. I saw the reference to Hillingdon and made the rash assumption that staff would always be present. I accept that places like Roding Valley have very thin / non existent staffing presence. I am, however, prepared to see if LU meets its public commitment to staff all stations for all hours that a service runs. That's what's been said and the new operating model clearly relies on that key element. The other aspect, for ticketing, is that the machines keep working and remain replenished where they handle cash. If staff aren't around and the machines conk out regularly then TfL / LU will have an unmitigated disaster on their hands because people will not be able to travel in a number of cases. In other cases they won't wish to travel if they find the system to be unsafe. I saw a tweet earlier today from someone who has been trying to top up using cash that the multi fare at Queensway (no longer any ticket office) has been unable to handle a cash transaction for three days. That's beyond useless.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 11, 2015 16:14:09 GMT
An allied question if I may please - after all local ticket offices are closed how will one be able to purchase privilege tickets on request? It was bad enough when ticket office hours were reduced and as I am now ancient enough to have a Freedom Pass I'm not affected, but I do have priv-entitled friends from outside London. I seem to recall that on the Tyne & Wear Metro the priv. rate equated to the child rate and enforcement was via the on-train revenue protection staff, but I'm not sure that would work on LUL. With effect from the January 2015 fares revision, Priv single and return tickets were abolished. The Priv day card also went a couple of years ago too. Now, anyone with a PTAC is expected to have an Oyster Card with the Priv rate discount set. Also, with regards to the original question, I can confirm that a growing number of LU staff can add railcard discounts to Oyster Cards at the ticket machines. Thanks for that. How nice to see that those of us with privilege facilities were informed (NOT!!!!) about that change.
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Post by rdm on Feb 11, 2015 20:11:14 GMT
Thanks also from me. I must have missed any notification that may have been in the last bulletin from the Retired Staff Travel Facilities office at Darlington. So long as the Freedom Passes continue to be granted I won't have to worry about this at present.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 12, 2015 13:00:43 GMT
The oyster readers on one of the ticket machines at Mudchute was out of action for about 3 months. During that time there was a period of about 3 days when the oyster reader on the adjacent machine was also broken. So it was not possible to do anything on oyster without going to the eastbound platform (quite a significant walk, even further if you can't use stairs). This doesn't inspire me with confidence that the machines are sufficiently reliable.
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Post by southfieldschris on Feb 12, 2015 21:34:12 GMT
Apologies if this is a bit off topic but it looks as though the Oyster machines have stopped saying "next time why not top up online?". Which is a blessed relief as it always annoyed me - the answer being "because it is much less convenient to top up online than to do it at the station which I have to come to anyhow in order to catch a train".
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 12, 2015 22:14:29 GMT
The oyster readers on one of the ticket machines at Mudchute was out of action for about 3 months. During that time there was a period of about 3 days when the oyster reader on the adjacent machine was also broken. So it was not possible to do anything on oyster without going to the eastbound platform (quite a significant walk, even further if you can't use stairs). This doesn't inspire me with confidence that the machines are sufficiently reliable. Which is why the DLR machines are up for replacement
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