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Post by mowat on Dec 28, 2005 13:05:51 GMT
At the moment the LT museum has 4 cars in the depot at Acton, Pilot motors L131 & L134, & ex IoW cars 27 & 49. 8 More cars are stored at Acton works, Pilot motors L130, L135, Personnel carriers PC850, PC851, PC855 and ex IoW cars 2, 7 & 44. Does anyone know what is going to happen to the cars at Acton works?
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Post by edb on Dec 28, 2005 17:28:21 GMT
make a huge preserved train and re enact the 9 car northern line!!!!
On a more practicle note they should be preserved.
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Post by Chris W on Dec 29, 2005 20:49:40 GMT
Gents Have a look at this thread re Q-stock at Acton Works: districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=History&action=display&thread=1130092276It is my understanding (but I am happy to be corrected if wrong  ) from visting the works during the October open day (with DD members) and talking to volunteers that were on duty that day, that if this is a success the LU museum may consider looking at the standard stock there.... but that will be a long long way off  |
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Post by mowat on Dec 30, 2005 13:31:19 GMT
If they do decide to restore them rather then scrap them  (or leave them there till there's nothing left of them)  then they should form three 4 car units. L130(1934)-PC850(1931)-PC851(1931)-L131(1934), A matching 1931/34 type which should be restored to 1950's/60's LT red. L134(1927)-PC855(1931)-49(1923,ex IoW)-L135(1934), A typical unit restored to LER 1920's/30's red & cream livery,(These two units being mainly ex Piccadilly line cars could be used on a reopened Holborn to Aldwich branch as a heritage line) . And the ex Isle of Wight cars 2(1934)-44(1923)-27(1925)-7(1931), should be sent back to the Island Line ;D as a heritage train and restored to BR blue grey livery. |
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Post by Phil on Dec 30, 2005 17:50:15 GMT
M C: it sounds like you're having one of Q8's dreams...  |
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Post by mowat on Jan 2, 2006 9:47:18 GMT
M C: it sounds like you're having one of Q8's dreams... >:Maybe but From what i understand most of them have been stored in the open at Acton Works for 14 years?, so if the LT Museum is not going to even think about restoing them intill 2012 (if there not srapped) then they should at least get them under cover so as there's sumthing left to restore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2006 10:08:37 GMT
make a huge preserved train and re enact the 9 car northern line!!!! On a more practicle note they should be preserved. A good way to make sure everyone gets a seat! |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 2, 2006 20:38:11 GMT
So long as they're in the stewardship of the LTM, I'd imagine they'd be OK. It'd be lovely to see them running, I'm sure many people have never seen a standard stock run (me included!), so it would be wonderful to have it running in preservation. Of course that would take time, but they're in the care of the LTM so I wouldn't fret too much about them. Though I don't know how well they will cope with having 3 operational heritage units! Might be quite a bit of a maintainance handful.
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Post by mowat on Jan 4, 2006 12:25:10 GMT
All except ex IoW cars 2 44 & 7 (these being in the LUL Heritage fleet) belong to the LT Museum. Nearley all the LT Museum staff i have spoken to think that only the 4 cars in the depot will be restored, and as for the rest?
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Post by Ben on Jan 8, 2006 2:08:46 GMT
Go one step further: Cravens Heritage Trains, LT Museum and the LURS form a consortium, and take over the franchise of Island Line Trains. Opperate the whole line all the time using restored and historic tube trains! Happy days, if only it could happen  |
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Post by Chris W on Jan 8, 2006 18:53:33 GMT
All except ex IoW cars 2 44 & 7 (these being in the LUL Heritage fleet) belong to the LT Museum. Nearley all the LT Museum staff i have spoken to think that only the 4 cars in the depot will be restored, and as for the rest? Gents The thing that I have noted in railway preservation is that 'preservationists' prevent many units from ending up in the scrap yard (no bad thing in itself), but are unable to restore what they have saved, due either to lack of money and/or losing interest! Lets be realistic, mainline railway enthusiasts are themselves a niche market with numbers dwindling as time goes on. LU enthusiasts are a very small percentage of this already small market for preservationists to target for interest or money for funds. Therefore the chances of the 4-car standard stock unit of being restored are somewhat questionable as far as I see it (although I would love to see it happen). In any case the Q-stock comes first and to date the only work being undertaken on this dilapidated and vandalised unit is of a feasibility study to how realistic it would be to restore it, identifying what work would be needed - and this amount was obtained via a lottery/heritage fund grant. I am sorry to be so downbeat  , but I believe that this is the realistic picture ! Regards Christopher |
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Post by Phil on Jan 8, 2006 19:23:42 GMT
Go one step further: Cravens Heritage Trains, LT Museum and the LURS form a consortium, and take over the franchise of Island Line Trains. Opperate the whole line all the time using restored and historic tube trains! Happy days, if only it could happen And to add to ChrisW's comments, the WSR ran the 'historic' Cravens class 105 for ten years on a daily basis. At the end it was fit only for scrap (I know - I used to drive it: it was the asbestos sticking out of the solebar that worried me most, apart from the mechanical condition!!!!!). ELR took it and are spending £30k to restore it. In the meantime WSR bought 2xCL 115 power cars and 4x trailers for £10k. Sorry guys, you CANNOT run an historic vehicle as an everyday revenue earner. The maintenance costs far exceed the income. And regular failures (due to the age of components) hardly endear you to your travelling public. |
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Post by mowat on Jan 10, 2006 17:06:25 GMT
Go one step further: Cravens Heritage Trains, LT Museum and the LURS form a consortium, and take over the franchise of Island Line Trains. Opperate the whole line all the time using restored and historic tube trains! Happy days, if only it could happen ;DThe only future i see for the Island Line is this, (1)reopen the the line from Shanklin to Ventnor, (2)relay the two tracks from Brading to Sandown (3)when LUL replaces the 1972 and 1973 stocks with new trains have a addon order for six extra trains (like the W&C Lines 1992ts which at that time was under BR control) to replace the class 483(1938ts) trains. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2006 19:31:13 GMT
when LUL replaces the 1972 and 1973 stocks with new trains have a addon order for six extra trains to replace the class 483(1938ts) trains. More likely Island line will continue their pennypinching tradition and buy some of the displaced 72 or 73s from LU! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2006 20:21:10 GMT
They'll buy the 1972TS - it's more similar to the 1938TS and would save on retraining and retooling costs.
Plus the fact that so many 1972TS-compatible four-car units exist makes it easy to justify the reopening of more lines on the island, with the rolling stock available to operate them...
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Post by q8 on Jan 10, 2006 23:54:49 GMT
LTM would have been better to spend the money they are using to refurbish the museum building [which was perfectly OK] in restoring some of the old stocks in their care.
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Post by mowat on Jan 11, 2006 16:49:43 GMT
Very true. ;D
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) from visting the works during the October open day (with DD members) and talking to volunteers that were on duty that day, that if this is a success the LU museum may consider looking at the standard stock there.... but that will be a long long way off 
(or leave them there till there's nothing left of them) 
then they should form three 4 car units. 
, but I believe that this is the realistic picture 
