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Post by metman on Jul 8, 2008 22:36:09 GMT
They survive, but in a depleted form. Ultimatley, we must find places for servicable trains, the depot is the best bet! All the random bits need to be moved to off rail locations and the depot used for storing train sets. I would keep the A stock at Ruislip, along with Sarah Siddons!
I think the C and D stock are doomed personally!
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Post by mowat on Jul 9, 2008 13:57:43 GMT
To be honest I would much rather see a single DM car of each (A,C & D) preserved, rather then just a working unit of one type. As Chris W points out, a huge amount of mony / space is needed for operational units, and an A stock would only be able to run on the Met.
So, if a working A stock unit is to be preserved, then the LTM and Cravens really need to start deciding now which (If at all) is going to save what.
Personally I think that the LTM could save single DM car each of A,C & D stock in refurb condition, and Cravens a working four car unit of A stock. Whether or not this is returned to 1960's condition would be determined by the avalibillity of funds/manpower ect.
As for the Standard stock, the least that could be done is to move the cars in the yard at Acton into undercover storage, rather then let them rust away and add to the problems of any restoration in the future. After all, in 50 years time there would be people who would wonder just what we were thinking to let the chance of a compleat working 1920/30' train slip away, and be as short sighted to scrap them. Plus even though the resources to restore them is not avalible now, it may be in the future.
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Post by maxtube on Jul 9, 2008 14:58:27 GMT
I'd rather see a preserved 3-car double-ended D stock, or a 4-car train of C stock than (or 2 DMs of each) than a 4-car A stock.
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Post by metman on Jul 9, 2008 17:20:39 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all 3 stocks in some form or another. The guys at the LTM said they were looking into an A stock.
Although it would run, mostly on the Met mainline, its a wonderful line to run a heritage train on! The Chesham branch would be ideal!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2008 22:24:26 GMT
Is there space at Quainton Road? With Chiltern pushing ahead on their efforts to construct Aylesbury North Parkway and the subsequent civils needed to bring the Met up to regular pax-carrying standards, would the will exist to make another push to connect one of the Quainton Yards to the Met and construct a climate-resistant storage facility at said yard?
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 9, 2008 23:51:33 GMT
Anything is preferable to letting the A stock 'evict' the Standards out of the LTM!  |
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Post by geebeezed on Jul 25, 2008 19:33:32 GMT
Evenin' all, just strolled past from hauling Stone on the big railway... Anyhoo, off thread as it is I'm pleased as Punch they've not chucked the remaining ex IOW Standard cars... (Any chance of photos?), I imagine there'd be any number of people queuing up to catch 'em as LU throws them out! Asbestos or no... I can also imagine the state they're in by now too..  Kinda sad as they've got such a special place in many BR enthusiasts hearts as well, lets hope they at least OFFER them for sale if disposal is decided upon... Strikes me it'd be kinda fun to have another 3-car set restored to 1980's blue & grey Island line livery coupled with the restored Red unit! It'd need Derogation of some sort to run with Yellow ends & the communicating doors reinstated but talk about 'Bums on seats'! ;D |
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Post by ruislip on Jul 26, 2008 2:02:27 GMT
I would keep the A stock at Ruislip, along with Sarah Siddons! I think the C and D stock are doomed personally! 1) I thought that Sarah Siddons was kept at Neasden depot. 2) Maybe the C, but with the D being so reliable, I don't think they would be doomed. |
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Post by geebeezed on Jul 26, 2008 6:49:04 GMT
Strikes me why NOT keep the operational vehicles 'off site' until they're needed? The '38 stock unit, '83 stock and, with a light overhaul & a repaint I imagine W&C Car 62 as well could be elsewhere (under cover & on the juice) whilst other things are restored.
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Post by compsci on Jul 26, 2008 18:35:37 GMT
I've just got back from guided tour training at the depot. Sarah has just had a fresh coat of paint, which shines so much that it is like a mirror. She looks stunning. It's not yet certain if she will be staying put afterwards.
The Q stock cars are going to be paying a visit to Ealing Common in the near future so that a thorough examination of the under floor equipment can be carried out.
Edit: The crossrail mockup has been disapparated. A cross river tram mockup has been shoehorned into the aisle by the shop.
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Post by max on Jul 31, 2008 13:48:23 GMT
Sad fact of bus/train preservation world: all too often, vehicles stored off site unexpectedly catch fire, disintegrate, get vandalised, get scrapped etc. This is not a safe way of storing things.
How well does the '38 unit earn its keep now that people pay to ride on it? I suspect that the general public would be more prepared to pay cash to ride on Standard Stock and Q stock than more recent units, they are more obviously relics from a bygone age. Even A stock is a modern train in comparison to Q stock.
In the meantime I will dream of a 1960s heritage weekend on the Uxbridge branch: Standard, 1938, Q and A stock all shuttling up and down.
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Post by metman on Aug 9, 2008 12:34:36 GMT
Same here! The A stock is modern, to an extent, but it is 50 years old and in years to come it will be old too! For me, the A stock also represents the end of the Metropolitan Railway as new offerings do not!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 22:20:20 GMT
Polite suggestion regarding moving items out of Acton to make space for other stuff. A home for the ex-Science Museum 'Standard' stock DM should surely be the NRM at York! Is it right that a supposedly representative national museum doesn't have a single LT exhibit? An example of a type that also worked on the national network would be perfect as they have nothing from the Isle of Wight either!
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Post by ducatisti on Jan 19, 2009 9:55:08 GMT
They could make a fair bit of space at the Covent Garden site by chucking out the cobblers at the beginning...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2009 0:03:09 GMT
Polite suggestion regarding moving items out of Acton to make space for other stuff. A home for the ex-Science Museum 'Standard' stock DM should surely be the NRM at York! Is it right that a supposedly representative national museum doesn't have a single LT exhibit? An example of a type that also worked on the national network would be perfect as they have nothing from the Isle of Wight either! Funnily enough I was at the NRM today and they do have various LU artefacts in the warehouse area, but of course no actual trains. |
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Post by Chris W on Jan 20, 2009 9:03:28 GMT
Remember that the NRM did at one time house one of the 1940 double cab DM's, however if I remember correctly the LU Museum took this over and it was shipped from York down to the museum's Acton Depot site... When I visited York during the Railfest event (was it really almost 5 years ago...  ) I can't remember anything from the Newcastle or Glasgow metro systems being exhibited there. This gives me the impression that York is the museum for British mainline and other smaller systems have their own method of saving heritage stock thats representative of their own histories... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2009 23:16:44 GMT
In the 1980s, there was numerous NRM owned rolling stock parked out in the open in the sidings north of the museum. Amongst them was the W&C double ended car referred to by ChrisW and a poorly looking Glasgow Subway car.
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 20, 2009 23:20:55 GMT
In the 1980s, there was numerous NRM owned rolling stock parked out in the open in the sidings north of the museum. Amongst them was the W&C double ended car referred to by ChrisW I think you must mean the 1990s, as the W&C 1940 stock was still in use until the early 1990s, as they were replaced with 1992TS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2009 23:40:50 GMT
It was the W&C car. I remember it being out there! It was shortly after its withdrawal. Acton certainly seem to be looking after it a bit better! A major LT exhibit is sadly lacking up there. It's supposed to be a NATIONAL Railway museum after all! It is quite amusing though to watch Japanese tourists taking pictures of themselves in the 'Bullet Train' coach.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 18:10:01 GMT
BUMP!
I see on the cover of Underground News this month that the Q stock has been moved by road to Acton Works - hopefully this is a sign of progress! Can anyone expand on this?
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Post by roythebus on Apr 29, 2009 21:44:09 GMT
4268? Yeh, worked on that one quite a bit on my days at PG! Gosh, shows my age. BTW, I've had my Guy Special for 40 years now! It might just be back on the road this year for a celebration run!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 21:56:25 GMT
I'm afraid to say that the Q Stock hasn't yet gone to Acton as was predicted and is still in LTM The Depot at Acton. Later in the year maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 15:36:35 GMT
What is the purpose of the move? Has the money been found for the restoration work?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2009 14:01:32 GMT
My understanding was it's being moved to Acton Works for asbestos removal before any other work can begin.
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Post by CSLR on May 12, 2009 10:54:11 GMT
My understanding was it's being moved to Acton Works for asbestos removal before any other work can begin. We hear a lot about asbestos removal from rolling stock. It was obviously put there for a purpose and the rolling stock that we hear about it being removed from is intended to be used again; so what are they using as a replacement? Also what do they do when it is a part of an electrical component? |
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Post by Oracle on May 12, 2009 11:22:48 GMT
Asbestos was of course a fire-proofing material (and there are three? types) but it was also used in sheets, or sprayed, as a sound insulator. I wonder if GRP matting can be used in its place?
I have never heard of asbestos being used in electrical components. I gather that it is quite safe until it is cut into, when the fibres then get released into the air. I keep seeing old asbestos corrugated roofing sheets that are I gather quite all right until 'disturbed'.
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Post by CSLR on May 13, 2009 6:22:23 GMT
I have never heard of asbestos being used in electrical components. It is the very fireproofing properties that make it ideal to use in a electrical situations where sparks and heat may be generated. I can assure you that it most certainly was an integral part of a number of electrical components. We know also that it was used in some brake blocks. |
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Post by Oracle on May 13, 2009 8:03:49 GMT
Thanks Mr CSLR ... I should have asked my dad who worked on electronic components. He also assembled brake shoes after the war for a time, and he's now 80 so clearly did not suffer from asbestosis. I on the other hand am concerned that I might be struck down after exposure in the mid-1970s whilst working in an old asbestos-roofed railway building. Not much I can do about it now though.
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Post by Dmitri on May 13, 2009 11:36:02 GMT
I on the other hand am concerned that I might be struck down after exposure in the mid-1970s whilst working in an old asbestos-roofed railway building. I think you are safe unless you regularly inhaled asbestos dust. |
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Post by Oracle on May 13, 2009 13:34:01 GMT
It was broken corrugated roof sheeting that was cleared-up. At the time only 'blue asbestos' was I think deemed dangerous, and 'white abestos', as used in sheeting, was not. Now it's all banned.
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) I can't remember anything from the Newcastle or Glasgow metro systems being exhibited there.
