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Post by ted672 on Dec 9, 2020 10:36:24 GMT
It's good to see them making progress, but I was wondering how loud the control gear is in reality, as the high pitched wine is quite annoying on the videos. That was until the souped-up car drove off in the third video!
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Post by christopher125 on Dec 9, 2020 16:30:26 GMT
Better late than never! 007, after 3 years in Ryde Works has finally emerged for a test run - for the next few hours she can be seen on the Ryde Pier webcam, at 15:49 and 16:03: |
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Post by d7666 on Dec 10, 2020 0:14:33 GMT
At risk of duplication, this list of IOW 484s with former D78 car i/ds was posted on WNXX (and duly acknowledged).
Unless this gen is buried in another thread here that I missed, I've slightly reformatted it for here :
484001 = 131 7086 + 231 7011
484002 = 132 7068 + 232 7002
484003 = 133 7051 + 233 7083
484004 = 134 7074 + 234 7111
484005 = 135 7124 + 235 7093
Does this list tie in with overall known D78 status ?
Apologies if this has appeared in another thread, if so, then I could not find it by using the search feature.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 10, 2020 0:19:30 GMT
Here is an Isle of Wight photo that I wish I'd have been able to take myself! Nevertheless I'm pleased that someone was able to film a train from both fleets in the same image. In case it does not show up here is a link to the tweetedit dated 5th January 2021. Which is a shame. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 10, 2020 6:14:48 GMT
At risk of duplication, this list of IOW 484s with former D78 car i/ds was posted on WNXX (and duly acknowledged). Unless this gen is buried in another thread here that I missed, I've slightly reformatted it for here : 484001 = 131 7086 + 231 7011 484002 = 132 7068 + 232 7002 484003 = 133 7051 + 233 7083 484004 = 134 7074 + 234 7111 484005 = 135 7124 + 235 7093 Does this list tie in with overall known D78 status ? Apologies if this has appeared in another thread, if so, then I could not find it by using the search feature. Thanks! no the info hasn't appeared on this site yet, i've now added it to the: D Stock Withdrawals List |
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Post by d7666 on Dec 10, 2020 14:44:40 GMT
At risk of duplication, this list of IOW 484s with former D78 car i/ds was posted on WNXX (and duly acknowledged). Unless this gen is buried in another thread here that I missed, I've slightly reformatted it for here : 484001 = 131 7086 + 231 7011 484002 = 132 7068 + 232 7002 484003 = 133 7051 + 233 7083 484004 = 134 7074 + 234 7111 484005 = 135 7124 + 235 7093 Does this list tie in with overall known D78 status ? Apologies if this has appeared in another thread, if so, then I could not find it by using the search feature. Thanks! no the info hasn't appeared on this site yet, i've now added it to the: D Stock Withdrawals List good ! The problem with being unsure about duplicating a possible message missed elsewhere is the search engine is it is NBG for looking for numbers, and 'D78' isn't helpful, so after trying assorted keywords like 'Ryde', 'Wight', 'Vivarail', I didn't get a response. I can't account for the provedence of that gen though, I'm only the relayer of info. Hope it's useful to someone. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Dec 17, 2020 11:11:13 GMT
Seems the 38's have had enough with all service on the island line cancelled www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/live-departures-and-arrivals/shanklinIn the past BR would have cast around for something to run even if it meant using a shunting loco to haul a few ancient coaches. It must be galling for South Western Railway to think they already have a class 484 running up and down the line racking up fault free miles at night and yet sitting around doing nothing all day whilst awaiting a bit of paper from ORR saying the units are fit for public service... I wonder if they could get around this and reinstate some service simply by using the class 484 unit to drag a single coach of 38 stock with all the passengers on board, until the Class 484 is officially signed off to carry passengers. |
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Post by philthetube on Dec 18, 2020 8:24:16 GMT
I suspect there are quite a few reasons why not, firstly the couplers will be different height, secondly you would have passengers on an unbraked vehicle, (swinger), deff a no no. Thirdly unless the compressor was working there would be no air for the doors., I am sure there are many more issues which could be added to the list
You would have to go back a long time for the option on the Island to run a shunter with ancient coaches.
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Post by brigham on Dec 18, 2020 8:30:16 GMT
You would have to go back a long time for running the service to be the main priority.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 19, 2020 12:21:25 GMT
I wonder if they could get around this and reinstate some service simply by using the class 484 unit to drag a single coach of 38 stock with all the passengers on board, until the Class 484 is officially signed off to carry passengers. Apart from the reasons already mentioned why this can't happen, you're also assuming that it's not an issue with wheels/suspension preventing the train running. No point dragging a 38ts car around if it's liable to jump off when it finds a corner! |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 19, 2020 18:42:43 GMT
Borrow a train from the steam railway?
(or is there more chance of the line to Ventnor re-opening than this?
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Post by quex on Dec 19, 2020 20:05:45 GMT
It's not so much about the practicality of the various solutions (although there are some that are a bit pie-in-the-sky). It's that the alternative of "just run a bus" is much easier and has far fewer potental problems than pretty much any rail-based idea for this temporary rolling stock shortage. This is partly because of the very specialised nature of the Island Line, and partly because isolated from the rest of the national network.
For the sake of a half-hour route to Shanklin, in the middle of winter, for a few weeks, is it really worth overcomplicating things? Off the top of my head, gauging/route compliance, RVAR compliance, lack of tripcocks and resourcing trained traincrew are among some the issues with running IoWSR on the "main line". There's no rail connection either, so stock would have to be moved by road. Not insurmountable, but why bother wasting what little money is available on these when it'd be far better spent on the upgrade of the Island Line proper? |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 19, 2020 21:42:47 GMT
In addition to the good points quex notes, running an IOWSR train on the Island Line would require a driver from each railway in the can (one with stock knowledge, one with route knowledge) which currently presents health and safety challenges due to Covid-19. |
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Post by philthetube on Dec 19, 2020 22:22:35 GMT
In addition to the good points quex notes, running an IOWSR train on the Island Line would require a driver from each railway in the can (one with stock knowledge, one with route knowledge) which currently presents health and safety challenges due to Covid-19. and a fireman |
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Post by brigham on Dec 21, 2020 8:56:42 GMT
Was 'Bustitution' considered before the present upgrade was started?
As far as transport is concerned, 'just running a bus' would likely be the cheapest and easiest option.
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Post by quex on Dec 21, 2020 10:06:19 GMT
I believe it was considered but not very seriously. Even conversion of the Island Line to busway form was mooted.
One of the many difficulties with running the IoW's transport is the heavily seasonal demand. The island's roads are too narrow to cope with summer traffic as is, so long term to shift more people onto the roads on buses probably wouldn't go well. I'd imagine that a busway conversion to provide a private-right-of-way would be almost as expensive as, if not more expensive than, the railway upgrade option.
In winter time during a pandemic, when a large proportion of the passengers on the railway is the school run and not much else besides, I guess a bustitution is acceptable.
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Post by Chris L on Dec 21, 2020 17:06:29 GMT
From Roger Ford's Informed Sources
One fleet worth mentioning: the West Midlands Trains VivaRail Class 230s. These have had a turbulent introduction to service, but now seem to have been sorted out with zero failures reported in Period 7.
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Post by ninefoot on Dec 21, 2020 22:02:34 GMT
Was there actually a passenger service operating between Bletchley & Bedford though? I thought the passenger services were replaced by buses, but the 230s did one round trip a day occasionally to keep them ticking over and the crews trained.
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Post by ted672 on Jan 5, 2021 15:05:20 GMT
Apologies if I've missed this further back in the thread, but are the Isle of Wight 484s going to operate on the existing third rail, or will most of it be removed, leaving sections at strategic places for battery charging?
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Post by revupminster on Jan 5, 2021 15:24:05 GMT
The trains operate on third rail and have retained four doors per car.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 5, 2021 15:35:53 GMT
The trains operate on third rail and have retained four doors per car. already posted in this thread 8 December 2020. |
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Post by ted672 on Jan 5, 2021 17:04:43 GMT
Thanks for the info, must be age catchting up with me!
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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2021 20:14:51 GMT
Noisy things aren’t they? Shame the DC traction equipment wasn’t kept although AC motors require much less maintenance than the old stuff!
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 5, 2021 21:36:22 GMT
slow acceleration, although that might be because its a special run, perhaps staff training or something like that.
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Post by brigham on Jan 6, 2021 9:34:56 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but I'm not sure how Vivarail became involved in this.
Couldn't ex-District stock have been overhauled at Acton, and supplied direct to the Isle of Wight?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 6, 2021 10:01:46 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but I'm not sure how Vivarail became involved in this. Couldn't ex-District stock have been overhauled at Acton, and supplied direct to the Isle of Wight? LU were going to send all D Stock for scrap (except a few as engineering service use), VivaRail stepped in and acquired the DM and quite a few T cars, for repurposing, seeing the potential of reasonably refreshed Stock. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 6, 2021 13:38:03 GMT
A new variant has been approved:
(Embedded tweet above)
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Post by Chris L on Jan 6, 2021 16:34:49 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but I'm not sure how Vivarail became involved in this. Couldn't ex-District stock have been overhauled at Acton, and supplied direct to the Isle of Wight? VivaRail's work goes way beyond an overhaul. |
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Post by pgb on Jan 6, 2021 20:43:00 GMT
A new variant has been approved: So does that mean that the Borderlands line is now getting units 006 to 010 and another on top of that, or is it going to be one of five? Hopefully it'll survive Hawarden Bank! Bit of a shame they're not coming to the Conwy Valley Line! |
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Post by jimbo on Jan 7, 2021 4:45:21 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but I'm not sure how Vivarail became involved in this. Couldn't ex-District stock have been overhauled at Acton, and supplied direct to the Isle of Wight? LU needed to get rid of 75 trains promptly to make room for the new S7 fleet as it arrived. I don't think anyone was interested in them except at scrap value. Vivarail took the risk, and is meeting requirements for several small fleets to different specifications. LU would not have had the resources to get involved in such a project. |
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good ! The problem with being unsure about duplicating a possible message missed elsewhere is the search engine is it is NBG for looking for numbers, and 'D78' isn't helpful, so after trying assorted keywords like 'Ryde', 'Wight', 'Vivarail', I didn't get a response.
