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Post by domh245 on Dec 13, 2016 23:54:44 GMT
First video of the train with it's third car (formerly 17128) with what appears to be some form of toilet module, and a nice bit of motor sound as well.
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Post by brigham on Dec 14, 2016 11:45:19 GMT
The gangways don't look too inviting. If you plan on using the lav, you would do well to ride on the centre car.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 30, 2016 14:15:25 GMT
Hi seen on Twitter today No further info from Kenilworth D stock on fire FISH7373 81C NFP
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Post by Forum Staff on Dec 30, 2016 14:24:07 GMT
We are aware that an incident has affected the D Train during a test run today. The Forum Staff request that no further discussion is held on the matter at this time; members with any relevant information are invited to private message the staff who will post it in the announcement thread if deemed appropriate.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 30, 2016 15:59:45 GMT
invited to private message the staff who will post it in the announcement thread if deemed appropriate. Why all this what`s wrong Well it is on BBC website now for all the news freedom of speech then. FISH7373 81C NFP
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Post by revupminster on Dec 30, 2016 16:05:05 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 30, 2016 16:50:05 GMT
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 30, 2016 17:12:01 GMT
invited to private message the staff who will post it in the announcement thread if deemed appropriate. Why all this what`s wrong Well it is on BBC website now for all the news freedom of speech then. FISH7373 81C NFP Hi fish7373, Thanks for your comment. We go down this route for incidents because presumably no one at this stage knows what's happened so there's little to say other than to link to what we actually do from places like the BBC website. We're certainly not trying to suppress information or stop reasonable discussion, far from it, but in the early days of the forum there were times when what felt like supposition on here was then wrongly reported as fact by national newspapers. Obviously we want to avoid that. Facts are fine, guesswork is not.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 30, 2016 17:39:49 GMT
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Post by castlebar on Dec 30, 2016 20:40:27 GMT
Yes, information is one thing
But speculation is another
Lack of the former produces too much of the latter, which tends to be 'fact free' in many cases.
Let us just wait and see what happened without guessing the answers before knowing the questions
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 20:48:44 GMT
Hopefully its just teething problems.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 30, 2016 22:57:42 GMT
A photo can be seen at this tweet. Simon
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Post by Chris M on Dec 30, 2016 23:51:46 GMT
In the other thread[/quote], rincew1nd quotes a tweet from VivaRail which says the fire was in (and by implication confined to) one of the external motor units.
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Post by domh245 on Jan 1, 2017 18:08:03 GMT
In slightly better news for the project, Adrian Shooter is saying in the latest copy of RAIL that they have orders for the 230s but can't reveal it yet for confidentiality purposes with manufacturing due to start this month.
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Post by metrailway on Jan 9, 2017 20:05:05 GMT
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Post by roboverground on Jan 21, 2017 15:45:40 GMT
Aside of passenger use, imagine diesel powered D Stock in use back on the tube, surely some engineering hours use where current rail off
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Post by tubelightonline on Jan 25, 2017 15:58:12 GMT
There was a report regarding the Vivarail trains on Midlands Today yesterday (are you following?), with mention of the fire the other week; for UK residents, the programme can be watched here - the piece starts at 3:43, and the clip is available for the next 28 days. I didn't realise that D Stocks were "Tube" trains, though...
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Post by fish7373 on Jan 25, 2017 16:39:37 GMT
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Post by DWS on Jan 25, 2017 16:57:40 GMT
There was a report regarding the Vivarail trains on Midlands Today yesterday (are you following?), with mention of the fire the other week; for UK residents, the programme can be watched here - the piece starts at 3:43, and the clip is available for the next 28 days. I didn't realise that D Stocks were "Tube" trains, though... The BBC call all London Underground trains Tube Trains, the standard of reporting has sunk to the lowest ebb.
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Post by stapler on Jan 26, 2017 8:40:45 GMT
Diesel powered trains on the SSR? Think you'd need to open several mothballed A&Es, for CO poisoning!
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Post by countryman on Jan 26, 2017 9:48:26 GMT
Diesel powered trains on the SSR? Think you'd need to open several mothballed A&Es, for CO poisoning! I realise that this is a humorous comment, but wouldn't the engines be Euro 6 with catalytic converter, particle filter and Adblue injection? Should be pretty clean apart from CO2 (unless produced by VW).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 9:51:15 GMT
It's a Ford transit diesel unit
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Post by stapler on Jan 26, 2017 13:41:06 GMT
The SSR, when steam operated, had numerous blowholes, where the engine drivers would "blow off" the residue of steam and fumes. These were essentially railed off holes down to the"covered way", as the DR called it. I've seen a photo of Big Ben with a shroud of steam from a 4-4-0T below. Cab horses didn't like it and non-London horses were apt to bolt. Some of these blowholes would definitely need to be reopened with Vivarail Ds in service; its carbon monoxide levels that would worry me....
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Post by countryman on Jan 26, 2017 14:38:39 GMT
The SSR, when steam operated, had numerous blowholes, where the engine drivers would "blow off" the residue of steam and fumes. These were essentially railed off holes down to the"covered way", as the DR called it. I've seen a photo of Big Ben with a shroud of steam from a 4-4-0T below. Cab horses didn't like it and non-London horses were apt to bolt. Some of these blowholes would definitely need to be reopened with Vivarail Ds in service; its carbon monoxide levels that would worry me.... See my post above. Carbon monoxide would be minimal.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 26, 2017 15:24:54 GMT
CO is though no the only thing to come out the tailpipe of a road diesel engine. CO2, SO2, etc all need to be dealt with. Although given they coped with a steam engine a couple of years back it might be doable (if not exactly pleasant).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 26, 2017 16:16:05 GMT
Diesel engines do occasionally catch fire.
The crucial thing to learn from this unscheduled test is whether the fire penetrated the passenger compartmemt or did any structural damage. If it didn't, that is a positive.
The likely cause - a fuel leak, may suggest greater attention is needed to the robustness of the interfaces between the removable engine modules and the rest of the train.
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Post by phil on Jan 26, 2017 18:50:11 GMT
Diesel engines do occasionally catch fire. The crucial thing to learn from this unscheduled test is whether the fire penetrated the passenger compartmemt or did any structural damage. If it didn't, that is a positive. The likely cause - a fuel leak, may suggest greater attention is needed to the robustness of the interfaces between the removable engine modules and the rest of the train. Despite what some images may suggest, the fire was correctly prevented from doing any damage to the bodywork by the fire protection fitted just in case of such an eventuality (and which is also present on the 15x fleet, Pacers, 17X, 165, etc DMUs). Damage to the interior was minor - the slight smell of smoke which entered through the cars opening windows and nothing that a good clean wouldn't fix and while the outside paintwork was smoke stained this was nothing more than cosmetic damage. Fuel leaks are, as you say not unknown in other diesel trains, nor are they unknown in buses, HGVs, Ships, etc though things like mounting arrangements, vibration, pipework routing and of course quality of installation are all relevant to how likely such a leak is to occur. Rumours persist that a deal has been done for an operator to take on a sizeable number of units but commercial confidentiality prevents further disclosure. With several franchises coming up for renewal this is not a surprise as the way the UK government chose to let franchises works very differently from TfLs concesions. In broad terms the DfT only lay out a basic framework - and unlike TfL invite bidders to be inventive and come up with their own ideas for the department to consider. That is how the Anglia total stock replacement bid came about - the Government in its invitation to tender only really demanded new stock for InterCity operations but the winning bidder was able to come up with their own suggestions which enabled total fleet replacement to be justified by the DfT / Treasury over simply refurbishing things like the 321s, 15x and 360 units.
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Post by countryman on Jan 27, 2017 9:30:47 GMT
CO is though no the only thing to come out the tailpipe of a road diesel engine. CO 2, SO 2, etc all need to be dealt with. Although given they coped with a steam engine a couple of years back it might be doable (if not exactly pleasant). As I said earlier, CO, SO2, nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons amd particulates are all reduced to minimal levels if fitted with a catalyst, particle filter and an Adblue system. The catalyst removes CO, SO2 and unburned hydrocarbons, the filter removes the soot particles and the Adblue brings down the nitrogen oxides. The SO2 content is also lowered by the current specification of diesel which is low in sulphur (too much will poison the catalyst). This just leaves CO2, which in low concentrations is relatively harmless. If the diesels are from transit vans, then, if they don't come fitted with the associated depollution kit, it can easily be fitted. And with current legislation I doubt if they would be allowed to run at all if not so fitted.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 3, 2017 23:00:44 GMT
Vivarail releases report into D-Train fire Vivarail has released a report into a fire on its prototype Class 230 D-Train diesel multiple-unit on 30th December 2016. Edited highlights below - more information at links: www.railwaygazette.com/news/technology/single-view/view/vivarail-releases-report-into-d-train-fire.htmlwww.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/vivarail-lays-out-action-plan-as-faulty-repair-work-to-blame-for-train-firewww.railmagazine.com/news/network/fuel-leak-caused-fire-on-vivarail-test-trainSimon ----------------------------------------------------- The report found that the fire had been caused by a leak in the high pressure fuel system that was subsequently ignited by a hot body, likely to have been the turbocharger. The leaks were likely to have been caused by a repair intervention by the genset supplier, and not spotted due to the lack of suitable test procedures. The passenger saloon was unaffected by the heat of the fire. Some smoke did enter, but the report found that if any passengers had been on board it would have been possible to evacuate safely. Vivarail Chief Executive Adrian Shooter said: “We believe that we have found the root cause and a number of contributory factors which prolonged the fire. “We are determined that there will never be a repetition and believe that the measures we have set out will achieve that end. As a minimum, they will all be put in hand before the train is put back in service. We are continuing to take advice in some areas and may make further improvements. It also proposes to improve the design of the vehicle, which failed to satisfy the testing requirement for new trains that stipulates trains must be able to run for a minimum of 15 minutes in the event of a fire. The D-Train’s brakes were instead applied automatically after the fire triggered a loss of air pressure.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 4, 2017 0:04:20 GMT
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