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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 14:51:54 GMT
I've seen many proposed service patterns which seem to conflict with each other, so I have a few questions about the programme. 1). Will New Southgate have direct links to St Pancras International, Farringdon, Blackfriars and London Bridge all day? Or will it only be in the peak times? 2). Will New Southgate have direct links to Brighton and Gatwick Airport? Thank you  |
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Post by pitdiver on Nov 17, 2014 17:22:22 GMT
I think you are getting a little bit mixed up. The development at New Southgate is in relation to CrossRail 2. I believe the Thameslink scheme is a different Project. As far as I'm aware Crossrail 2 will stop at a new station Euston-St Pancras.http://crossrail2.co.uk/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 18:26:44 GMT
I think you are getting a little bit mixed up. The development at New Southgate is in relation to CrossRail 2. I believe the Thameslink scheme is a different Project. As far as I'm aware Crossrail 2 will stop at a new station Euston-St Pancras.http://crossrail2.co.uk/ I meant the plans for WGC services to South London. One source said that such services would only be in the peaks, but another said that it would be all day. Which one is right? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 17, 2014 21:12:18 GMT
I think you are getting a little bit mixed up. The development at New Southgate is in relation to CrossRail 2. I believe the Thameslink scheme is a different Project. As far as I'm aware Crossrail 2 will stop at a new station Euston-St Pancras.http://crossrail2.co.uk/ I meant the plans for WGC services to South London. One source said that such services would only be in the peaks, but another said that it would be all day. Which one is right? Not sure if this is the latest one, but it shows no GN locals going through the core. Or this one showing a peak hour WGC-caterham service - no clues as to how many intermediate stops though, but eight cars will be the minimum which would preclude some stops with shorter platforms. But the pattern keeps changing so who knows? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 6:43:25 GMT
I meant the plans for WGC services to South London. One source said that such services would only be in the peaks, but another said that it would be all day. Which one is right? Not sure if this is the latest one, but it shows no GN locals going through the core. Or this one showing a peak hour WGC-caterham service - no clues as to how many intermediate stops though, but eight cars will be the minimum which would preclude some stops with shorter platforms. But the pattern keeps changing so who knows? Actually, it says 2tph to the Thameslink network from WGC in 2018 so I assume it means stations in between. I hope the service would be all day because it would really improve the connections in my area. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 18, 2014 9:10:10 GMT
I think it is too early to be certain about detailed stopping patterns for services in 2018. There is a consultation on the 2015 timetable changes at the moment. It describes some high level changes due in 2018 too. Unfortunately it doesn't spell out what happens specifically at New Southgate. If I was asked to guess I would say that you will need to change trains at Finsbury Park between the Moorgate locals and the through Thameslink services. Given there will be reasonable frequencies in 2018 this probably won't be too much of a hardship. The detail of the 2018 timetable will be consulted on closer to the time. It is also worth saying that an improved all day, daily service into Moorgate is likely to be a vast improvement and in 2018 there will be interchange to Crossrail at Moorgate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 14:56:22 GMT
I think it is too early to be certain about detailed stopping patterns for services in 2018. There is a consultation on the 2015 timetable changes at the moment. It describes some high level changes due in 2018 too. Unfortunately it doesn't spell out what happens specifically at New Southgate. If I was asked to guess I would say that you will need to change trains at Finsbury Park between the Moorgate locals and the through Thameslink services. Given there will be reasonable frequencies in 2018 this probably won't be too much of a hardship. The detail of the 2018 timetable will be consulted on closer to the time. It is also worth saying that an improved all day, daily service into Moorgate is likely to be a vast improvement and in 2018 there will be interchange to Crossrail at Moorgate. Even if a change at Finsbury Park is needed, it would still provide better journeys to Canary Wharf from New Soithgate than the current set up. |
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Post by pitdiver on Nov 18, 2014 17:38:25 GMT
As a former resident of New Southgate I am interested in what goes on there. I have discovered that there is a large scale redevelopment taking place in the next few years. Of which private housing plays a large part. At the moment I certainly would not want to move back. However when the redevelopment is complete it may well attract a large number of commuters who would like a quicker route into the City/Canary Wharf areas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:55:21 GMT
As a former resident of New Southgate I am interested in what goes on there. I have discovered that there is a large scale redevelopment taking place in the next few years. Of which private housing plays a large part. At the moment I certainly would not want to move back. However when the redevelopment is complete it may well attract a large number of commuters who would like a quicker route into the City/Canary Wharf areas. Well, with the current Crossrail plans, going to Canary Wharf should be a piece of cake from New Southgate. I'm considering to stay in this area as opposed to Essex because of the current plans of Thameslink and Crossrail. As well as the current links from Arnos Grove, of course. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 18, 2014 23:36:01 GMT
I think it is too early to be certain about detailed stopping patterns for services in 2018. There is a consultation on the 2015 timetable changes at the moment. It describes some high level changes due in 2018 too. Unfortunately it doesn't spell out what happens specifically at New Southgate. If I was asked to guess I would say that you will need to change trains at Finsbury Park between the Moorgate locals and the through Thameslink services. Given there will be reasonable frequencies in 2018 this probably won't be too much of a hardship. The detail of the 2018 timetable will be consulted on closer to the time. It is also worth saying that an improved all day, daily service into Moorgate is likely to be a vast improvement and in 2018 there will be interchange to Crossrail at Moorgate. Even if a change at Finsbury Park is needed, it would still provide better journeys to Canary Wharf from New Soithgate than the current set up. However it would still be more sensible just to remain on your GN train to Moorgate and catch Crossrail there if you're heading to Canary Wharf. No point faffing around in the bowels of Farringdon. I think once the daily service with new trains and better frequencies kick in on the GN and there's the Crossrail and Thameslink connections I expect it will become vastly busier. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 10:11:13 GMT
Even if a change at Finsbury Park is needed, it would still provide better journeys to Canary Wharf from New Soithgate than the current set up. However it would still be more sensible just to remain on your GN train to Moorgate and catch Crossrail there if you're heading to Canary Wharf. No point faffing around in the bowels of Farringdon. I think once the daily service with new trains and better frequencies kick in on the GN and there's the Crossrail and Thameslink connections I expect it will become vastly busier. Thank you, it sounds more sensible Would it be the same for London Bridge (as in remaining on the GN train to Moorgate and taking the Northern Line from Old Street to London Bridge)? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 19, 2014 11:42:22 GMT
Would it be the same for London Bridge (as in remaining on the GN train to Moorgate and taking the Northern Line from Old Street to London Bridge)? That's not such an easy one to call - it would be a cross-platform interchange at Finsbury Park, where Old Street requires a change of level. Only 6tph (eight in the peak) on Thameslink to London Bridge, the Northern Line is far more frequent Five stops Finsbury Park to London Bridge via Thameslink, seven via Old Street. About seven miles on Thameslink, only four via Old Street |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 19, 2014 12:31:42 GMT
However it would still be more sensible just to remain on your GN train to Moorgate and catch Crossrail there if you're heading to Canary Wharf. No point faffing around in the bowels of Farringdon. I think once the daily service with new trains and better frequencies kick in on the GN and there's the Crossrail and Thameslink connections I expect it will become vastly busier. Thank you, it sounds more sensible Would it be the same for London Bridge (as in remaining on the GN train to Moorgate and taking the Northern Line from Old Street to London Bridge)? For London Bridge I would just go to Moorgate and go down the escalator to the Northern Line - very easy. The interchange at Old Street is poor and I would not change there. Clearly in the peaks Moorgate will be busy but show me somewhere in Zone 1 that isn't busy in the peaks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 13:57:06 GMT
Thank you, it sounds more sensible Would it be the same for London Bridge (as in remaining on the GN train to Moorgate and taking the Northern Line from Old Street to London Bridge)? For London Bridge I would just go to Moorgate and go down the escalator to the Northern Line - very easy. The interchange at Old Street is poor and I would not change there. Clearly in the peaks Moorgate will be busy but show me somewhere in Zone 1 that isn't busy in the peaks. Thank you Even though I can go through Arnos Grove, King's X is way too overcrowded compared to Old Street and Moorgate. One time I had to let 10 trains pass by on the Northern Line platform so I could get a train towards Bank/London Bridge. |
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Post by ducatisti on Nov 21, 2014 13:39:41 GMT
Looking at the proposed timetable it's very impressive, but very inter-connected - if one service falls over, it could tangle up a massive area. Hope they have some good resiliance plans
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