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Post by The Tram Man on Nov 17, 2014 23:09:31 GMT
I didn't actually think of that, whistle, but you do have a point. Most kits i've built have been 1:200 and 1:144 scale civilian airliners, pretty mainstream i guess.
However, if lulfan is correct in saying that some kits have never been improved in 40 years, then they should be made cheaper i think. Or improvement. Either one is fine by me. I understand that it's a niche market, but still. I mean, 40 years without improvement.
And last but not least, the black ferret. That is, apart from the weeds, pretty much the same look i am hoping to model.
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Post by metman on Nov 18, 2014 7:48:39 GMT
Whistlekiller is quite correct. If you look at the prices of the Radley models and metromodels kits and products they are relatively expensive as they are a small manufacturers and therefore don't tend to enjoy economies of scale.
The 1927 trailer in the photo does look high so I will be amending it! The metromodels bogies don't fit as I can just see half the wheel sticking out the side! Thankfully it is not that easy to see as tube stock is quite low anyway.
I had a plan last year to use a 24.5mm tenshodo at the trailing end but realised that the bogie would be too small although it is only 1m out either side. Still may do it.
I'm not aware that the kits were 40 years old although the moulds are not as I'm sure they were redone for resin a few years ago.
They could do with a revamp (I am a perfectionist!) but that costs money so I can't blame the supplier.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 9:28:08 GMT
Hi
I only read the kits are 40y old I do not know myself the age of them
just a thought though the market for LU models is maybe not that small EFE did quite a range and I guess they sold well, It will be interesting to see how well the Heljan BO Bo does and in a Bachmann PDF stock list on the net there is a whole number range shown as reserved for LU stock and of course Bachmanns LT tank has been re issued a number of times so I can only guess it does sell
Kits are fine if they make up to something close to the prototype, that does not seem to be the case with the LU kits on sale now too much heavy detail and other faults
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 18, 2014 10:40:56 GMT
A few years ago, chatting with "Mr EFE" found that he was completely unaware of the complexities of 'Standard Stock', thinking in laymans terms that 'standard' meant same or very similar, how wrong he was!
Even when detail differences of 1938/1959/1962 Tube Stock were pointed out before production began, the finished product included/excluded all of the 'mistakes' highlighted.
More recent contact has revealed the Tube Stock were slow sellers, individual cars (DM) selling much better, therefore the decision to sell in 3/4-car sets to include the less popular trailer/NDM cars, to reduce retail stock.
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Post by metman on Nov 18, 2014 12:31:43 GMT
Both previous posts highlight some of the troubles with detail.
I think the new Met electric will sell well but there are no easy to build coaches with it, for now......
I am please to say I'm currently working on brand new dreadnought coaches that I believe can be built in only 30mins!!
I shall post retails in the next week or so. However, I think we should go back onto topic now.
I think highgate is great station to model because it has a scenic break at each end. I'm really looking forward to seeing this. I was thinking at one stage before I started harrow on the hill of making a model of East Finchley.
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Post by The Tram Man on Nov 18, 2014 13:02:41 GMT
metman: Well, that's true. The positive thing about the Metromodels kits though is that they are now 3D printed and designed to ride pretty much like the real thing. I have however heard a few mixed things about them. John himself said, when i met him, that they are hand finished and that's why they are as costly as they are. On the other hand, i have seen a build report of a 1983-stock kit. I do however look forward to buying some of those kits later on, finished or not.
lulfan: Actually, from what i've heard they sold quite well, but that might have been just the Isle of Wight sets. I'm not sure.
Dstock7080: You know what they say, you never stop learning.
I like the models anyway, despite their flaws.
And depsite them being "slow sellers" i have heard rumors that EFE/Bachmann will produce more LU models in the future.
metman, again: There are kits for the Dreadnoughts, but again i've heard mixed things about them. But seeing as Heljan and Bachmann have released the Bo-Bo's and Panniers i don't think matching rtr coaches are far away.
Anyway, yeah, there is indeed a scenic break on each end. I am unsure of how to handle that though. As i was hoping to make this a modular station, for a layout that usually is mostly single track, i might have to make the tunnels as seperate modules. That way i can swap them for switches/points if needed.
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Post by The Tram Man on Nov 18, 2014 17:54:39 GMT
I think that might be a trick of the light. Look on the right side of the DM's cabs. It looks to me like the sides do taper inwards a little bit, but maybe not enough. Although that could be because of the angle.
Of course, i could be completely wrong.
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Post by metman on Nov 18, 2014 18:01:51 GMT
Tram Man - the Dreadnought kits are a bit of a pig to build at the moment which is why they are being re-done with a one piece body. The only things separate are the roofs, buffers, bogies and stretcher bars (which are also now one piece - thankfully!). I can't see a RTR to run version being introduced for a while - I suggest it will be dependant on how the BoBo sells. The problem with RTR coaches is the hand rails can look a bit blocky. Case in point the EFE cars. This means you have to take them off which is a real hassle to cover up where they were. I don't fancy doing that on a Dreadnought!
lulfan - I have a 1960 stock car at home and I think it looks ok - the photos don't do it justice. The creator of the 3D design is a member here! The standard stock trailer however is very over detailed!
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Post by The Tram Man on Nov 18, 2014 20:16:05 GMT
Tram Man - the Dreadnought kits are a bit of a pig to build at the moment which is why they are being re-done with a one piece body. The only things separate are the roofs, buffers, bogies and stretcher bars (which are also now one piece - thankfully!). I can't see a RTR to run version being introduced for a while - I suggest it will be dependant on how the BoBo sells. The problem with RTR coaches is the hand rails can look a bit blocky. Case in point the EFE cars. This means you have to take them off which is a real hassle to cover up where they were. I don't fancy doing that on a Dreadnought! True, it could depend on how well the BoBo sells, but as mentioned, Bachmann has a whole series of numbers reserved for LU/LT models. That could mean basically anything. I agree, the handrails on the EFE models aren't the best, but i'm not a perfectionist so i'm not really bothered. Although, there is one way of supplying RTR cars without blocky looking handrails. Make them as seperate pieces, either to be applied in the factory or by the buyer.
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Post by The Tram Man on Jan 25, 2015 0:08:41 GMT
I have already placed an order for a custom repainted 1959-stock car showing Highgate as the destination. I only chose Highgate as Alexandra Palace wasn't available. Earlier today got a message that the car i ordered last year is done! I recieved pics in the e-mail, and it is absolutely beautiful! Way more beautiful than i could imagine. I can't wait to hold it in my hands!
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Post by The Tram Man on Feb 16, 2015 17:37:53 GMT
"The next station is Highgate, where this train terminates. Please make sure you have all your belongings with you when you leave the train." It has finally landed! Oh, the long wait is over, and this beautiful piece of London Underground history is now mine. 1959-stock Driving Motor number 1030 in 1920's heritage colours.
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