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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 12:27:35 GMT
One for any T/Ops out there - very generally, what would you consider to be the absolute minimum time you could shut down and change ends (no stepping back) and be ready to go?
I understand it's very variable IE stock, location, line, driver fitness/willingness, lateness, whether it's last end change before going home.... Just a handful of ballpark figures for me to go off would be very useful.
Any help greatly appreciated.
James
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Post by North End on Nov 5, 2014 12:41:57 GMT
One for any T/Ops out there - very generally, what would you consider to be the absolute minimum time you could shut down and change ends (no stepping back) and be ready to go? I understand it's very variable IE stock, location, line, driver fitness/willingness, lateness, whether it's last end change before going home.... Just a handful of ballpark figures for me to go off would be very useful. Any help greatly appreciated. James On a 95 stock it can be done in about 90 seconds if the driver is keen - with these trains it's just a case of getting in the cab and turning the key. In reality 4 minutes is considered about the minimum acceptable time, even this doesn't allow much time for basic tasks like a quick visit to the toilet. All this is assuming things like the radio, TMS are already logged in. Stocks with the Westinghouse brake (e.g. 72 stock) will take about a minute longer due to needing to wait for the train line to charge with air before the brake will release. Having said all this, rushing is never a good idea, as it can lead to things like the rear handle being left unstowed or the cab door left open, which then results in an undignified trip back to the rear, and more than likely a delay followed by a meeting with a manager. Unstowed handle might be ok as you would generally get a warning as soon as the other cab is opened up, however with the rear cab door this will not show up until the passenger doors are closed and the train doesn't get a pilot light.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 5, 2014 13:19:55 GMT
You also need to factor in how busy the platform is. It must take longer to walk the length of the train at Stratford than at Stanmore, as at the former there are far more people swarming off the train heading the direction opposite the way the driver needs to go (in my experience). If the next train out is on the other side of the same island then that slows down people leaving slightly.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 5, 2014 18:10:27 GMT
I did read of a bored crew on the Aldwych shuttle one afternoon who decided to see how many round trips they could squeeze in to half an hour in the off-peak.
Another thing I have read of which might have speeded things up in the past was the (strictly unofficial) practice of double-ending - if the rostered guard was a qualified driver (as was often the case: waiting for a vacancy) and the driver was still qualified as a guard (as was again often the case) then rather than change ends they would change roles: one chap drive to Chesham (for example) and guard back, and vice versa. Perfectly safe and probably useful practice for both.
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Post by rheostar on Nov 6, 2014 2:16:38 GMT
When I was a guard motorman, I used to double end with my driver in and out of Wood Green sidings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 5:44:11 GMT
I did it in 30 seconds at Whitechapel several years back when I took a wrong stick at Tower Hill. Legged it down the platform gave the signalman a toot as I opened up, he cleared and offi went. Got back to Tower Hill bang on time.
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Post by DWS on Nov 6, 2014 7:48:49 GMT
You also need to factor in how busy the platform is. It must take longer to walk the length of the train at Stratford than at Stanmore, as at the former there are far more people swarming off the train heading the direction opposite the way the driver needs to go (in my experience). If the next train out is on the other side of the same island then that slows down people leaving slightly. Stratford Jubilee line has stepping back in the peak hours.
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Post by rummer on Nov 6, 2014 8:26:57 GMT
4 Minutes is usual time we go by on the Picc
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