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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 17:42:13 GMT
Spot on; that's the point I was trying to make, albeit not very well.  Be interested to know whether the staff were 'consulted' on it's design, or was it a case of 'it's trendy, just the sort of modern image we need' or some such verbal garbage? There was a group of staff involved in the design, so I honestly can't see how they all thought the final design was a good idea. I suspect given time off from their normal duties to go on paid days out with the designers clouded their judgments. |
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Post by domh245 on Nov 5, 2014 18:46:44 GMT
Either that or the fact that they'd potentially worked on it for a while and had become rather attached to their work. Alternatively, the findings were presented to someone high up in the food chain:
"The focus group don't like it, but the designer told us it was nice. He's a designer, so he must be right, surely. I mean what do our staff know, and more importantly why should we care what they think, I mean they're the ones wearing it!"
Bliney, just read back over that post, and I appear to be in one of those moods where I'm excessively cynical and a bit sarcastic!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 19:11:21 GMT
Either that or the fact that they'd potentially worked on it for a while and had become rather attached to their work. Alternatively, the findings were presented to someone high up in the food chain: "The focus group don't like it, but the designer told us it was nice. He's a designer, so he must be right, surely. I mean what do our staff know, and more importantly why should we care what they think, I mean they're the ones wearing it!" Bliney, just read back over that post, and I appear to be in one of those moods where I'm excessively cynical and a bit sarcastic! You started off quite accommodating and understanding and then...  I pretty much agree with you though, I think it looks pretty ridiculous and not at all smart. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 5, 2014 20:18:46 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem would be with using fairly standard items which are doubtless carried by major manufacturers, suitably provided with a smart but sensible logo, rather than a wacky new idea. If changes were genuinely required to the existing uniform why not make changes rather than scrap everything and start afresh? It could then be rolled out gradually as old stocks are run down.
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 5, 2014 20:42:19 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem would be with using fairly standard items which are doubtless carried by major manufacturers, suitably provided with a smart but sensible logo, rather than a wacky new idea. If changes were genuinely required to the existing uniform why not make changes rather than scrap everything and start afresh? It could then be rolled out gradually as old stocks are run down. Or as remembered all thru' my working life: "If I ain't broke don't fix it" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 8:40:57 GMT
Spot on; that's the point I was trying to make, albeit not very well. Be interested to know whether the staff were 'consulted' on it's design, or was it a case of 'it's trendy, just the sort of modern image we need' or some such verbal garbage? There was a site that staff could log on to so they could see the designs as they progressed and leave feedback. I am also aware that they held quite a few design 'meetings' with the staff who would be wearing the uniform to see what they wanted. As far as its design I think it was mainly the brain child of the guy who designed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 9:35:34 GMT
I saw one poor chap wearing one of these at Camden, had to double take! This uniform will end up looking old before its time and will probably have to be reworked in about three years or so to make it more acceptable to the wearers. A lesson here perhaps. Isn't the current uniform a reworked version of the previous one? The current one is nothing special and it looks a bit clunky but at least its fairly smart and signifies that LU is some kind of public service. I would agree, some changes to the current one would be good but thats it. I think the best in use is the London Overground, smart and modern, what any forward thinking company should be! |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 6, 2014 10:22:56 GMT
Be interested to know whether the staff were 'consulted' on it's design, or was it a case of 'it's trendy, just the sort of modern image we need' or some such verbal garbage? There was a site that staff could log on to so they could see the designs as they progressed and leave feedback. I am also aware that they held quite a few design 'meetings' with the staff who would be wearing the uniform to see what they wanted. As far as its design I think it was mainly the brain child of the guy who designed it. No doubt we've all been there, "there will be a staff consultation.........." And they then go ahead and do what they intended anyway  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 6, 2014 13:21:46 GMT
No doubt we've all been there, "there will be a staff consultation.........." And they then go ahead and do what they intended anyway Not limited to staff consultations, sadly - see the "consultation" on the buses going cashless for example. |
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Post by North End on Nov 6, 2014 20:52:02 GMT
There was a site that staff could log on to so they could see the designs as they progressed and leave feedback. I am also aware that they held quite a few design 'meetings' with the staff who would be wearing the uniform to see what they wanted. As far as its design I think it was mainly the brain child of the guy who designed it. No doubt we've all been there, "there will be a staff consultation.........." And they then go ahead and do what they intended anyway Spot on. Unfortunately, in this case I think they have made a big mistake in choosing the designer and basically allowing him basically a free hand, with the killer brief that the design should be more 'visible'. I don't believe Mr Hemingway has really taken on board the considerable feedback about his designs. I'm not sure how feasible this would have been, but it would definitely have been better for more than one designer to have been given the opportunity to provide designs -- ideally with only the chosen designer being paid. At least this would give the designer some incentive to produce a well-liked and fit-for-purpose design. It would seem Mr Hemingway gets paid one way or the other, so it feels like a game of him expressing his design preferences on canvas for all to see rather than coming up with something which actually achieves the objective. |
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