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Post by domh245 on Nov 3, 2014 13:57:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29878913Surely I can't be the only one to think that this looks a bit silly. I would prefer the current uniform to stay (If it ain't broke...) or if they *had* to change it, go for a more heritage look, seeing as that is the preferred approach when you look at things like borismasters and the NT4L. Ps. I have a vague recollection of there being a thread about new uniform somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
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Post by stapler on Nov 3, 2014 14:18:33 GMT
The roundel appears to be strategically placed on the anatomy of the female worker pictured......
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Post by Indefatigable on Nov 3, 2014 14:26:40 GMT
I think it looks okay to be honest - although the female uniform variant might require a little bit of a redesign
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 3, 2014 14:47:35 GMT
To me it looks like a cheap school uniform and not at all authoritative in appearance but there again, I don't think much of the current one either. Having said that, I'm an angler and we're not exactly known for our sartorial elegance (see avatar for evidence) so what would I know?......  |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 3, 2014 15:06:22 GMT
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 3, 2014 15:13:49 GMT
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Post by North End on Nov 3, 2014 15:34:37 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29878913Surely I can't be the only one to think that this looks a bit silly. I would prefer the current uniform to stay (If it ain't broke...) or if they *had* to change it, go for a more heritage look, seeing as that is the preferred approach when you look at things like borismasters and the NT4L. Ps. I have a vague recollection of there being a thread about new uniform somewhere, but I couldn't find it. I saw some train staff wearing it yesterday at Edgware Road. Have to say I thought looked absolutely awful. The massive roundels everywhere just look wrong, it looked more like a children's outfit you might buy from the museum shop rather than a serious uniform. Hurrendous waste of money. |
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Post by rummer on Nov 3, 2014 17:01:48 GMT
Another total waste of money all they needed to do was change the trousers to a cargo type and put a lining in the fleece. I thought TFL was trying to save money not waste it, wonder how much Wayne Hemingway charged for this.
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 3, 2014 17:57:38 GMT
Another total waste of money all they needed to do was change the trousers to a cargo type and put a lining in the fleece. I thought TFL was trying to save money not waste it, wonder how much Wayne Hemingway charged for this. Hemingway could have done better and he's dead!! |
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 3, 2014 20:58:13 GMT
What's the problem with the current uniform?
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Post by pitdiver on Nov 3, 2014 21:12:51 GMT
As a former LUL employee I think the new uniform is awful. would be seen dead in it if that was possible.
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 3, 2014 21:14:55 GMT
What's the problem with the current uniform? Perhaps we should have saved that one for the daily quiz! Though it would probably take 10 years to get the answer. To me it looks like a cheap school uniform and not at all authoritative in appearance but there again, I don't think much of the current one either. Having said that, I'm an angler and we're not exactly known for our sartorial elegance (see avatar for evidence) so what would I know?...... Yes, but when did you last get asked which way the Bakerloo Eastbound is when out angling? The new look is a bit too bright and happy for me. I suppose we should be grateful that they haven't reddified these:  to go on it. Looks like something the clods on The Apprentice came up with, to be frank. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 21:16:19 GMT
While I am not exactly a fan of the look of the new uniform, the choices being allowed to the staff wearing the uniform is a huge improvement.
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 3, 2014 21:17:53 GMT
What's the problem with the current uniform? Perhaps we should have saved that one for the daily quiz! Though it would probably take 10 years to get the answer. To me it looks like a cheap school uniform and not at all authoritative in appearance but there again, I don't think much of the current one either. Having said that, I'm an angler and we're not exactly known for our sartorial elegance (see avatar for evidence) so what would I know?...... Yes, but when did you last get asked which way the Bakerloo Eastbound is when out angling? The new look is a bit too bright and happy for me. I suppose we should be grateful that they haven't reddified these: to go on it. Looks like something the clods on The Apprentice came up with, to be frank. Many a true word spoken in jest?  |
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Post by Tom on Nov 3, 2014 21:59:31 GMT
To some extent, I don't think uniform should attempt to be fashionable, as fashions change like seasons and something that is in fashion one week will be horribly dated the next. Workwear, like any other form of industrial design, needs to be suitable for the task and practical. As Frank Pick used to promote, it needs to have a 'fitness for purpose'.
The current uniform needed improving, yes. Improving on choices available, quality, and fit. It didn't need a designer to come along and stick badly proportioned roundels on every single item.
This uniform will end up looking old before its time and will probably have to be reworked in about three years or so to make it more acceptable to the wearers.
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Post by North End on Nov 3, 2014 23:13:24 GMT
To some extent, I don't think uniform should attempt to be fashionable, as fashions change like seasons and something that is in fashion one week will be horribly dated the next. Workwear, like any other form of industrial design, needs to be suitable for the task and practical. As Frank Pick used to promote, it needs to have a 'fitness for purpose'. The current uniform needed improving, yes. Improving on choices available, quality, and fit. It didn't need a designer to come along and stick badly proportioned roundels on every single item. This uniform will end up looking old before its time and will probably have to be reworked in about three years or so to make it more acceptable to the wearers. I can see a lot of trouble with this. There's no way that staff are going to wear this in its current form, and the "mix & match" nature of the new uniform lends itself to staff adding items of their own, or from the current uniform. I can't see local management enforcing this as they will be just as unhappy with it. Meanwhile I suspect some areas will develop their own local uniforms, I know of one forward-looking business unit which has done this already! What amuses me slightly, part of the brief for the new uniform was to make staff more 'visible'. In my view one of the only issues with the design of the current uniform is that, unlike the superb 1990s uniform, it does not feature the red/blue LU roundel, but instead makes use of the plain blue TFL roundel. I seem to remember this was a deliberate decision, perhaps to save cost by enabling items to be used by staff across TFL. Perhaps if they had just taken the current uniform and added the correct roundel in appropriate locations, without using it in so-called 'clever' ways, they could have achieved the visibility objective without the need to waste a huge amount of money. |
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Post by pitdiver on Nov 4, 2014 7:30:16 GMT
To some extent, I don't think uniform should attempt to be fashionable, as fashions change like seasons and something that is in fashion one week will be horribly dated the next. Workwear, like any other form of industrial design, needs to be suitable for the task and practical. As Frank Pick used to promote, it needs to have a 'fitness for purpose'. The current uniform needed improving, yes. Improving on choices available, quality, and fit. It didn't need a designer to come along and stick badly proportioned roundels on every single item. This uniform will end up looking old before its time and will probably have to be reworked in about three years or so to make it more acceptable to the wearers. I can see a lot of trouble with this. There's no way that staff are going to wear this in its current form, and the "mix & match" nature of the new uniform lends itself to staff adding items of their own, or from the current uniform. I can't see local management enforcing this as they will be just as unhappy with it. Meanwhile I suspect some areas will develop their own local uniforms, I know of one forward-looking business unit which has done this already! What amuses me slightly, part of the brief for the new uniform was to make staff more 'visible'. In my view one of the only issues with the design of the current uniform is that, unlike the superb 1990s uniform, it does not feature the red/blue LU roundel, but instead makes use of the plain blue TFL roundel. I seem to remember this was a deliberate decision, perhaps to save cost by enabling items to be used by staff across TFL. Perhaps if they had just taken the current uniform and added the correct roundel in appropriate locations, without using it in so-called 'clever' ways, they could have achieved the visibility objective without the need to waste a huge amount of money. Can you remind me what the superb 1990's uniform was like as I cant place it. I started in 1989. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 9:35:47 GMT
This new uniform is vile, I would have thought LU would have learnt the lesson after they realised staff hated the Thunderbirds suits they brought out in the mid 80's. I'll continue to wear my old uniform for as long as possible.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 4, 2014 10:30:56 GMT
But it's been created by a big name fashion designer, therefore it must be good. It cost an awful lot of money too, which makes it better still!
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 4, 2014 10:40:52 GMT
To some extent, I don't think uniform should attempt to be fashionable, as fashions change like seasons and something that is in fashion one week will be horribly dated the next. Workwear, like any other form of industrial design, needs to be suitable for the task and practical. As Frank Pick used to promote, it needs to have a 'fitness for purpose'. The current uniform needed improving, yes. Improving on choices available, quality, and fit. It didn't need a designer to come along and stick badly proportioned roundels on every single item. This uniform will end up looking old before its time and will probably have to be reworked in about three years or so to make it more acceptable to the wearers. I can see a lot of trouble with this. There's no way that staff are going to wear this in its current form, and the "mix & match" nature of the new uniform lends itself to staff adding items of their own, or from the current uniform. I can't see local management enforcing this as they will be just as unhappy with it. Meanwhile I suspect some areas will develop their own local uniforms, I know of one forward-looking business unit which has done this already! What amuses me slightly, part of the brief for the new uniform was to make staff more 'visible'. In my view one of the only issues with the design of the current uniform is that, unlike the superb 1990s uniform, it does not feature the red/blue LU roundel, but instead makes use of the plain blue TFL roundel. I seem to remember this was a deliberate decision, perhaps to save cost by enabling items to be used by staff across TFL. Perhaps if they had just taken the current uniform and added the correct roundel in appropriate locations, without using it in so-called 'clever' ways, they could have achieved the visibility objective without the need to waste a huge amount of money. Maybe there's some confusion about which corporate identity is supposed to be the brand image here. I'd have thought they should concentrate on LUL as it's the Tube, and stick to the LU roundel. But of course, 'they' don't appreciate that people working on the various parts of TfL might appreciate something that distinguishes their area of work from the rest of the operation. As they clearly have pride in what they do, they should expect TfL management to underscore that pride and have a separate discernible uniform for each aspect that says 'We are all proud of our Underground/Overground/Buses-ecce signum!' Can you imagine letting a fashion designer loose on other similarly iconic parts of London uniform-Beefeaters? Horse Guards' Parade? Your friendly neighbourhood bobby? Or maybe, having had another look at the link, and whence it was sourced, this is all a sinister plot to replace LU information staff with Blue Peter presenters. And badges. |
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Post by Colin on Nov 4, 2014 15:37:36 GMT
Think I'll be wearing a plain coat over my uniform in the future!
I don't know if its true, but one of the trial guinea pigs said at Earls Court yesterday (Acton District is one of the two depots involved) that if you wear the full kit, including fleece/coat, you will have 42 roundels on you!
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Post by brigham on Nov 4, 2014 16:13:53 GMT
You'll be OK if you ride a Lambretta.
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2014 17:40:19 GMT
Think I'll be wearing a plain coat over my uniform in the future! I don't know if its true, but one of the trial guinea pigs said at Earls Court yesterday (Acton District is one of the two depots involved) that if you wear the full kit, including fleece/coat, you will have 42 roundels on you! I heard 44. The question is, are they visible roundels or in labels etc too? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 20:42:31 GMT
Oh dear, I was dreading the rollout of the new uniform design and now its happened I'm even more dissapointed, what would the LT design board of the 40s, 50s and 60s think of this?!
I have the same problem with the look of this new uniform with the look of the S and 09 stock and LU will have this problem in the not so distant future, it all looks modern and trendy now but only in 10 years time will this new uniform be horrendously dated looking and the S and 09 stock will look just as dated!
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 5, 2014 1:20:54 GMT
I have the same problem with the look of this new uniform with the look of the S and 09 stock and LU will have this problem in the not so distant future, it all looks modern and trendy now but only in 10 years time will this new uniform be horrendously dated looking and the S and 09 stock will look just as dated! By the same token I think that the 67/72, A60/62, D78 and 92 stocks all look horribly dated. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. However, I must agree with the thoughts of the majority here on the new uniform. It doesn't seem at all attractive and has been given "designer treatment" for the sake of designer treatment, rather than being functional. |
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Post by North End on Nov 5, 2014 12:35:37 GMT
I have the same problem with the look of this new uniform with the look of the S and 09 stock and LU will have this problem in the not so distant future, it all looks modern and trendy now but only in 10 years time will this new uniform be horrendously dated looking and the S and 09 stock will look just as dated! By the same token I think that the 67/72, A60/62, D78 and 92 stocks all look horribly dated. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. However, I must agree with the thoughts of the majority here on the new uniform. It doesn't seem at all attractive and has been given "designer treatment" for the sake of designer treatment, rather than being functional. The difference is that rolling stock looking dated doesn't really matter as long as it still performs reliably. Staff having to go round wearing a uniform that looks ridiculous is another matter entirely! |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 5, 2014 13:59:42 GMT
The difference is that rolling stock looking dated doesn't really matter as long as it still performs reliably. Staff having to go round wearing a uniform that looks ridiculous is another matter entirely! Spot on; that's the point I was trying to make, albeit not very well. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 5, 2014 15:35:47 GMT
The difference is that rolling stock looking dated doesn't really matter as long as it still performs reliably. Staff having to go round wearing a uniform that looks ridiculous is another matter entirely! Spot on; that's the point I was trying to make, albeit not very well. Be interested to know whether the staff were 'consulted' on it's design, or was it a case of 'it's trendy, just the sort of modern image we need' or some such verbal garbage? |
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Post by trt on Nov 5, 2014 15:48:11 GMT
Does it have a secure pocket big enough to hold one of these customer service iPad devices? And another pocket big enough to hold a spare battery and charger lead, because an iPad constantly in use connected to WiFi will drain after about two hours at best...
And maybe a series of pockets just the right dimensions to hold a small stack of the gatefolded tube maps, and some the right size to hold a stash of the "buses from this station" maps.
Ah, but if staff are expected to be more mobile, perhaps these wallets could be velcro backed, so they just slap on a few filled with the leaflets appropriate to that station where they are working for that half-shift...
Or am I being far too cynical?
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 5, 2014 16:15:34 GMT
Does it have a secure pocket big enough to hold one of these customer service iPad devices? And another pocket big enough to hold a spare battery and charger lead, because an iPad constantly in use connected to WiFi will drain after about two hours at best... And maybe a series of pockets just the right dimensions to hold a small stack of the gatefolded tube maps, and some the right size to hold a stash of the "buses from this station" maps. Ah, but if staff are expected to be more mobile, perhaps these wallets could be velcro backed, so they just slap on a few filled with the leaflets appropriate to that station where they are working for that half-shift... Or am I being far too cynical? Millets have them in stock!! |
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