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Post by superteacher on Nov 1, 2014 21:03:16 GMT
Has there ever been a timetable with scheduled Plaistow reversers on the District? I'm not counting special moves like the S stock training runs. The bay platform at Plaistow has been used for Hammersmith and City reversers to a lesser or greater degree over the years, but in the late 80's I remember seeing a D stock in the bay on a few occasions. I'm not sure if these were scheduled, or merely late running Barking or Upminster trains.
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Post by brigham on Nov 1, 2014 22:26:48 GMT
There is (or was) provision for it on the describers at Earl's Court, although whether it actually took place is a different thing.
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Post by metman on Nov 2, 2014 8:35:16 GMT
I remember seeing the odd Plaistoe reverser up on the boards back in the day. Again I don't know if they were late running Barking etc trains either. I also remember Dagenhan East reversers in the early 2000s.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 2, 2014 8:47:41 GMT
The last regular District reversers at Plaistow was during the 2012 Olympic timetable.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 2, 2014 9:23:17 GMT
I remember seeing the odd Plaistoe reverser up on the boards back in the day. Again I don't know if they were late running Barking etc trains either. I also remember Dagenhan East reversers in the early 2000s. There are still Dagenham East reversers in the peaks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 14:39:34 GMT
Photo of train describer at Earls Court summer 1989 click here don't know of Plaistow still an option. I took this photo thinking they would eventually replace these but they are still there a quarter of a century later. |
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Post by castlebar on Nov 2, 2014 20:07:30 GMT
Dennis thank you for that photo
I think the "painted over" box was "Charing Cross" which was still a regularly used reversing point (on Sundays) into the 60s
In the 50s "Not stopping at Gloucester Road and South Kensington" options were still there too. My memory tells me that alternatives could be hooked on, and some old close up photos show the hooks
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Post by superteacher on Nov 2, 2014 21:45:20 GMT
Bow Road was also a regular reversing point back in the day. I'm not sure, but I think Tower Hill may have taken over the space allocated to Bow Road.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 21:48:23 GMT
Bow Road was also a regular reversing point back in the day. I'm not sure, but I think Tower Hill may have taken over the space allocated to Bow Road. However did trains reverse at Bow Road? |
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Post by superteacher on Nov 2, 2014 22:11:04 GMT
Bow Road was also a regular reversing point back in the day. I'm not sure, but I think Tower Hill may have taken over the space allocated to Bow Road. However did trains reverse at Bow Road? Trailing crossover east of the station, right on the steep slope! The crossover is long gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 22:12:37 GMT
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Post by Colin on Nov 3, 2014 1:06:51 GMT
There is (or was) provision for it on the describers at Earl's Court, although whether it actually took place is a different thing. I can confirm that the Plaistow descriptions are still present at Earls Court. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 17:42:51 GMT
In the 1920s and 1930s there were definitely DR Plaistow reversers in the timetable.
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Post by roythebus on Nov 3, 2014 17:49:16 GMT
In the early 1970s we had the odd Plaistow reverser, more to keep route knowledge of the signalling. Dagenham East was a regular too as 50% of the service seemed to turn there. Bow Road wasn't used in my days on the DR. Aldgate East was on Sunday mornings with the first couple from Upminster reversing there; Putney Bridge main was used by the Upminster-Putney Bridge staff train every day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 21:21:03 GMT
Bow Road reversers were abolished with the timetable from 10/10/60, from when the signal was closed and the area subsequently converted to automatic working.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 3, 2014 22:16:10 GMT
Bow Road reversers were abolished with the timetable from 10/10/60, from when the signal was closed and the area subsequently converted to automatic working. Before my time, but it strikes me as a very inconvenient place to reverse trains. Plaistow would have been easier as the reversing train wouldn't block the running lines. There can't be many examples over the years where trains were scheduled to reverse over a main line shunt in normal day to day service. The only other one that springs to mind is when they used to reverse Leytonstone terminators in the evening via the eastbound main. Of course, there were also the Sunday Charing Cross reversers on the District. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 3, 2014 22:21:42 GMT
Bow Road reversers were abolished with the timetable from 10/10/60, from when the signal was closed and the area subsequently converted to automatic working. Before my time, but it strikes me as a very inconvenient place to reverse trains. Plaistow would have been easier as the reversing train wouldn't block the running lines. There can't be many examples over the years where trains were scheduled to reverse over a main line shunt in normal day to day service. The only other one that springs to mind is when they used to reverse Leytonstone terminators in the evening via the eastbound main. Of course, there were also the Sunday Charing Cross reversers on the District. When I started work in 1963, I can remember standing on Charing Cross eastbound and seeing reversals during the morning rush hour. For some reason it always seem to be a 'Q' stock. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 3, 2014 22:47:11 GMT
In the 1950's we used to get the District from Victoria down to Dagenham about once a month to visit Dad's parents etc.
They definitely had Plaistow reversers at that stage. Dad reckoned it would be a good name for a football team!
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Post by DWS on Nov 4, 2014 9:44:32 GMT
Bow Road reversers were abolished with the timetable from 10/10/60, from when the signal was closed and the area subsequently converted to automatic working. Before my time, but it strikes me as a very inconvenient place to reverse trains. Plaistow would have been easier as the reversing train wouldn't block the running lines. There can't be many examples over the years where trains were scheduled to reverse over a main line shunt in normal day to day service. The only other one that springs to mind is when they used to reverse Leytonstone terminators in the evening via the eastbound main. Of course, there were also the Sunday Charing Cross reversers on the District. You must study the history of the District line east of Whitechaple and the London Tilbury & Southend line to understand why there was a crossover at Bow Road. Trains ran at wider intervals than they do to day and also the many flat junctions east of Bow Road. What may seem inconvenient place to reverse to trains today, was due to the needs and timetable in use back then. A friend of mine used to work on the District line many years ago and his farther was a signalman at Bow Road signal box. |
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Post by superteacher on Nov 4, 2014 23:03:06 GMT
Before my time, but it strikes me as a very inconvenient place to reverse trains. Plaistow would have been easier as the reversing train wouldn't block the running lines. There can't be many examples over the years where trains were scheduled to reverse over a main line shunt in normal day to day service. The only other one that springs to mind is when they used to reverse Leytonstone terminators in the evening via the eastbound main. Of course, there were also the Sunday Charing Cross reversers on the District. You must study the history of the District line east of Whitechaple and the London Tilbury & Southend line to understand why there was a crossover at Bow Road. Trains ran at wider intervals than they do to day and also the many flat junctions east of Bow Road. What may seem inconvenient place to reverse to trains today, was due to the needs and timetable in use back then. A friend of mine used to work on the District line many years ago and his farther was a signalman at Bow Road signal box. You make some valid points. However, weren't the Bow Road reversers off peak only? If so, does this suggest that the service was more frequent east of Bow Road in the peak? If that was the case, then there would have been the capacity in the off peak to at least have reversed the Bow Road reversers at Plaistow. |
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Post by DWS on Nov 5, 2014 9:05:25 GMT
You must study the history of the District line east of Whitechaple and the London Tilbury & Southend line to understand why there was a crossover at Bow Road. Trains ran at wider intervals than they do to day and also the many flat junctions east of Bow Road. What may seem inconvenient place to reverse to trains today, was due to the needs and timetable in use back then. A friend of mine used to work on the District line many years ago and his farther was a signalman at Bow Road signal box. You make some valid points. However, weren't the Bow Road reversers off peak only? If so, does this suggest that the service was more frequent east of Bow Road in the peak? If that was the case, then there would have been the capacity in the off peak to at least have reversed the Bow Road reversers at Plaistow. As I do not have timetables of the District Line from when the Bow Road reversers were in being I can not tell you more. May be some who has timetables from say 1950 to 1960 can shed more light on this subject. |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 5, 2014 9:43:05 GMT
mrfs42 is normally the timetable guru around these parts
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Post by programmes1 on Nov 5, 2014 10:28:21 GMT
mrfs42 is normally the timetable guru around these parts Chris that is true but MRFS does not seem to log on a lot lately. |
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Post by brigham on Nov 5, 2014 10:34:39 GMT
Can't find any Plaistow or Bow Road reversers in '61. Early-morning Upminster departures tipped-out at Bromley, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 17:34:22 GMT
I can't add anything about the Bow Road reversers as I have no idea of them but can add that Bow Road signal cabin is still in place at Bow Road along with the mirror the signalman used to see the trains just beyond the Eastbound headwall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 17:54:31 GMT
I can't add anything about the Bow Road reversers as I have no idea of them but can add that Bow Road signal cabin is still in place at Bow Road along with the mirror the signalman used to see the trains just beyond the Eastbound headwall. It is now just a humble relay room |
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Post by bassmike on Nov 6, 2014 13:56:26 GMT
Re acton town's comment , I'm beginning to see why mrfs does not log on much lately.
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Post by towerman on Nov 7, 2014 13:46:58 GMT
In the days of Q, CO/CP & R stocks trains with severe flats or locked wheels or burst armatures were sometimes got out of the way at places like Plaistow & Dagenham East.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 10:52:37 GMT
The Capital Transport book "Twenty Five Years of London Transport 1949-1974" has a great picture of a Bow Road-bound Q stock at Acton Town next to the South Acton shuttle.
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