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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2014 22:53:57 GMT
I have just found two photos of a four car 1962 stock train displaying "Ongar" standing at Theydon Bois and at Loughton. The same person also has a photo of a train at Ongar showing Loughton on the destination blind. In all photos the doors on the train are open. Was this part of the normal service, or is there another explanation to these shots? I don't have a flickr account, so i can't ask the owner of the pics. |
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Post by North End on Oct 24, 2014 22:59:01 GMT
I have just found two photos of a four car 1962 stock train displaying "Ongar" standing at Theydon Bois and at Loughton. The same person also has a photo of a train at Ongar showing Loughton on the destination blind. In all photos the doors on the train are open. Was this part of the normal service, or is there another explanation to these shots? I don't have a flickr account, so i can't ask the owner of the pics. It varied by timetable, however the shuttle train generally originated from Hainault Depot, and the nearest stabling point between the peaks was Loughton. In consequence the first and last trains of each peak ran beyond Epping in service from / to either Loughton or Woodford. Certainly I remember travelling to Ongar a few times during the final year, on both 60 and 62 stock, with the train originating from Loughton. |
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 25, 2014 1:14:57 GMT
Well, i'll be damned. I've never heard of that before, not as far as i can remember.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 25, 2014 7:19:07 GMT
Well, i'll be damned. I've never heard of that before, not as far as i can remember. As above. I caught a 4 car 62ts from Woodford to Ongar on occasion. I mentioned it before on here once. It left Woodford at around 3.30pm. I sometimes saw it stabled in the siding parallel to the London bound platform at Loughton. Edit: I found this picture of a 60/38ts 3 car set stabled at Loughton in the siding mentioned  |
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Post by stapler on Oct 25, 2014 7:39:20 GMT
I frequently used to get the train entering service from Loughton, and as mentioned above, they used to stable in what is still called the Ongar Siding at Loughton. I haven't seen it used for 20 years, and it probably has another official name (no. XX road??
I never caught the service from Woodford, but presumably that was a set having worked round from Hainault Depot after servicing etc.
Anyone know what if anything is being done to mark 150 years of Loughton-Ongar in April 2015? A little event such as in Aug 2006 for Leyton-Loughton?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 7:39:51 GMT
I have just found two photos of a four car 1962 stock train displaying "Ongar" standing at Theydon Bois and at Loughton. The same person also has a photo of a train at Ongar showing Loughton on the destination blind. In all photos the doors on the train are open. Was this part of the normal service, or is there another explanation to these shots? I don't have a flickr account, so i can't ask the owner of the pics. It varied by timetable, however the shuttle train generally originated from Hainault Depot, and the nearest stabling point between the peaks was Loughton. In consequence the first and last trains of each peak ran beyond Epping in service from / to either Loughton or Woodford. Certainly I remember travelling to Ongar a few times during the final year, on both 60 and 62 stock, with the train originating from Loughton. The morning service started from Loughton sidings then worked passenger from Loughton to Ongar to shuttle between Epping and Ongar for the morning peak then ran to Woodford and onto Grange Hill and into Hainault Depot. The evening peak service ran from Hainault depot via Grange Hill to Woodford then from Woodford to Ongar and shuttled for he evening peakand ran back to Loughton and into the sidings. The trip to Hainault was for maintenance, change over if necessary and refill the de icing tank, |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 7:40:57 GMT
I frequently used to get the train entering service from Loughton, and as mentioned above, they used to stable in what is still called the Ongar Siding at Loughton. I haven't seen it used for 20 years, and it probably has another official name (no. XX road?? I never caught the service from Woodford, but presumably that was a set having worked round from Hainault Depot after servicing etc. Anyone know what if anything is being done to mark 150 years of Loughton-Ongar in April 2015? A little event such as in Aug 2006 for Leyton-Loughton? It was not called the Ongar siding just 21road. |
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 25, 2014 14:59:00 GMT
Well, i'll be damned. I've never heard of that before, not as far as i can remember. As above. I caught a 4 car 62ts from Woodford to Ongar on occasion. I mentioned it before on here once. It left Woodford at around 3.30pm. I sometimes saw it stabled in the siding parallel to the London bound platform at Loughton. Edit: I found this picture of a 60/38ts 3 car set stabled at Loughton in the siding mentioned That is one beautiful looking train. So, anyway, this was standard operating procedure. Interesting. I always thought that the train was stabled in either Epping or Ongar during off peak hours. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 25, 2014 15:22:01 GMT
That is one beautiful looking train. So, anyway, this was standard operating procedure. Interesting. I always thought that the train was stabled in either Epping or Ongar during off peak hours. I'm no authority on this at all and I'd like to know why as well! Maybe it has something to do with crew rosters and depots. No doubt someone with a brain the size of a planet will be able to explain in more detail.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 17:14:27 GMT
As above. I caught a 4 car 62ts from Woodford to Ongar on occasion. I mentioned it before on here once. It left Woodford at around 3.30pm. I sometimes saw it stabled in the siding parallel to the London bound platform at Loughton. Edit: I found this picture of a 60/38ts 3 car set stabled at Loughton in the siding mentioned That is one beautiful looking train. So, anyway, this was standard operating procedure. Interesting. I always thought that the train was stabled in either Epping or Ongar during off peak hours. See my previous post. The train stabled at Hainault mid day for maintenance mid day and overnightb at Loughton as that was where it was crewed from. I know this because I used to drive this train regularly and drove the last Ongar service. |
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 25, 2014 17:25:21 GMT
See my previous post. The train stabled at Hainault mid day for maintenance mid day and overnightb at Loughton as that was where it was crewed from. I know this because I used to drive this train regularly and drove the last Ongar service. That makes sense. Although you didn't mention the crew reason before, but that makes sense. Just one question though: did the same driver stay with the train through the peak, or did they swap driver at Epping sometime? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 18:08:39 GMT
See my previous post. The train stabled at Hainault mid day for maintenance mid day and overnightb at Loughton as that was where it was crewed from. I know this because I used to drive this train regularly and drove the last Ongar service. That makes sense. Although you didn't mention the crew reason before, but that makes sense. Just one question though: did the same driver stay with the train through the peak, or did they swap driver at Epping sometime? Unless there was a spare driver who was covering for absence or sickness on a particular day the same driver started up the turn until it stabled. |
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Post by Colin D on Oct 25, 2014 22:23:30 GMT
IIRC, when two trains operated in the peaks the first train started out of Loughton and the second was ex Hainault. The second train, I believe then stabled at Loughton until the PM peak where it remained in service until close of traffic. The first train was then worked back to Hainault, in service, at the end of the PM peak for maintenance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 9:28:56 GMT
IIRC, when two trains operated in the peaks the first train started out of Loughton and the second was ex Hainault. The second train, I believe then stabled at Loughton until the PM peak where it remained in service until close of traffic. The first train was then worked back to Hainault, in service, at the end of the PM peak for maintenance. I already posted that. |
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Post by Colin D on Oct 28, 2014 8:15:41 GMT
IIRC, when two trains operated in the peaks the first train started out of Loughton and the second was ex Hainault. The second train, I believe then stabled at Loughton until the PM peak where it remained in service until close of traffic. The first train was then worked back to Hainault, in service, at the end of the PM peak for maintenance. I already posted that. Sorry Jim, looks like I misread your post:( |
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