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Post by theblackferret on Oct 21, 2014 15:42:55 GMT
London Transport Museum is a money-making machine, so it's not impossible such an idea would turn over a profit-think tourists rather than Tube-lovers herewith.
But whether Aldwych is the right site could be another matter.
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 21, 2014 16:42:09 GMT
Crusty 54 is correct. OK, so there are UndergrounD fans on this site, but nationally, such enthusiasts are a very small percentage of the population. Such a museum would be a guaranteed money loser. Anyone who thinks differently should get out more into the real world of economics and bean counters. Who should pay for the losses? The same percentage could be the same for New York..but their subway museum has been successful for years As I stated before the New York museum is a sub surface station far more easily accessed than Aldwych. More importantly perhaps it is easier to evacuate in an emergency. The only means of egress from Aldwych is via one very long circular staircase, if that is obstructed anyone in the station will be trapped until arrangements can be made to evacuate them via one of the running tunnels. |
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 21, 2014 16:52:42 GMT
The LT Museum loses money and has to be supported by TfL.
There is an obligation to preserve historic items not display them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:15:54 GMT
The LT Museum loses money and has to be supported by TfL. There is an obligation to preserve historic items not display them. I am not sure on how much they raise vs how much is spent, but I know for sure that the museum makes a loss every time the depot is open for open weekends. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 21, 2014 20:26:38 GMT
The LT Museum loses money and has to be supported by TfL. There is an obligation to preserve historic items not display them. I am not sure on how much they raise vs how much is spent, but I know for sure that the museum makes a loss every time the depot is open for open weekends. I would suggest that most museums etc will lose money through opening the doors every day to the public. A great deal of non-sexy, yet essential, stuff has to happen to open every day, from looking after the objects to heating the place to cleaning the loos. The money to keep them going comes from government funding (from TfL in the case of LTM, DCMS in the case of nationals, local councils in the case of local museums). Since this is being cut, many institutions now seek money from companies in corporate sponsorship, wealthy individuals etc, as well as doing things like renting out galleries and meeting rooms out of hours for functions. Whilst this may seem like selling out to anyone with a wodge of cash - it provides the money to keep things going. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 25, 2014 13:03:43 GMT
About Holborn being too busy, isn't there a disused extra platform there ? Indeed there is, but people would still have to get to and from it - the two flights of escalators are the busy bi at Holbornt. And there is a limit as to how much rolling stock could be exhibited there - four individual cars (or one unit) is probably the limit. (And of course no surface stock) |
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Post by camperdown9 on Jan 4, 2015 7:43:48 GMT
Sorry of topic but is the subway museum worth a visit?
Alex
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 4, 2015 16:35:18 GMT
Sorry of topic but is the subway museum worth a visit? Alex Do you mean the NYC Subway Museum? |
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Post by metrailway on Jan 4, 2015 17:19:14 GMT
London Transport Museum is a money-making machine, so it's not impossible such an idea would turn over a profit-think tourists rather than Tube-lovers herewith. But whether Aldwych is the right site could be another matter. As crusty54 an luacton have stated, LTM loses money. I believe the net revenue cost to run LTM was £3.6 million last year. |
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Post by camperdown9 on Jan 4, 2015 17:25:11 GMT
Sorry of topic but is the subway museum worth a visit? Alex Do you mean the NYC Subway Museum? Sorry yes. Going to NYC in a few weeks and looking for new things to do. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 5, 2015 11:05:33 GMT
Do you mean the NYC Subway Museum? Sorry yes. Going to NYC in a few weeks and looking for new things to do. Don't forget your camera and bring us back some pics. |
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Post by philthetube on Jan 5, 2015 14:05:41 GMT
Access to an Aldwych museum could be via train from Holborn only, however Holborn is probably so busy already that encouraging extra visitors to that station would not be seen as a good idea. Since the line remains operable, however, I'm sure an occasional special shuttle on open days would be very popular. If you run a shuttle to Aldwych it would severely restrict the number of exibits you could have |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 14:28:27 GMT
The Holborn shuttle would also be faced with running a museum service within a money-taking environment in a service used by millions of passengers. Throwing the Covent Garden queues down Holborn's escalators would create a nightmare, and the company with the paying customers would win. It's as daft as the suggestion of keeping the 4 car A stock shuttle in use for heritage reasons and would require a rework of Holborn station, adding to LTM debt and therefore public spending. This is on top of re-opening the Holborn shuttle platform and making the line safe. It's not that I'm against the idea, I would love as much as the next one an always-open Aldwych, but just see problems in the feasibility.
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Post by DWS on Jan 5, 2015 18:20:38 GMT
Do you mean the NYC Subway Museum? Sorry yes. Going to NYC in a few weeks and looking for new things to do. Well if your going to New York City and you are willing to spend $7 for the entrance go for it. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 5, 2015 18:39:52 GMT
Sorry yes. Going to NYC in a few weeks and looking for new things to do. Well if your going to New York City and you are willing to spend $7 for the entrance go for it. Thats less than £5 I don't know of any similar thing over here for that price. |
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Post by miff on Jan 6, 2015 23:26:57 GMT
Access to an Aldwych museum could be via train from Holborn only, however Holborn is probably so busy already that encouraging extra visitors to that station would not be seen as a good idea. Since the line remains operable, however, I'm sure an occasional special shuttle on open days would be very popular. If you run a shuttle to Aldwych it would severely restrict the number of exibits you could have On open days there are no exhibits other than the station itself and the '72 stock which is kept there, in working order. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 2:15:34 GMT
Sorry of topic but is the subway museum worth a visit? Alex I thought it was great, you get to go inside quite a few old subway cars and there are also bus exhibits too There was a cat running around on the platform when I went there Here is a video I took at the museum.....with the cat!!: |
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Post by camperdown9 on Jan 13, 2015 7:16:38 GMT
Sorry of topic but is the subway museum worth a visit? Alex I thought it was great, you get to go inside quite a few old subway cars and there are also bus exhibits too There was a cat running around on the platform when I went there Here is a video I took at the museum.....with the cat!!: Hi Thanks for posting the video, it does look like its worth a visit. About half way through there is a car which has a shelf on the carriage walls and what looks like bins under the shelf. Do you know what that was for? Thanks again. Alex p.s. cute cat! |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 13, 2015 12:21:51 GMT
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Post by theblackferret on Jan 13, 2015 20:45:15 GMT
The Holborn shuttle would also be faced with running a museum service within a money-taking environment in a service used by millions of passengers. Throwing the Covent Garden queues down Holborn's escalators would create a nightmare, and the company with the paying customers would win. It's as daft as the suggestion of keeping the 4 car A stock shuttle in use for heritage reasons and would require a rework of Holborn station, adding to LTM debt and therefore public spending. This is on top of re-opening the Holborn shuttle platform and making the line safe. It's not that I'm against the idea, I would love as much as the next one an always-open Aldwych, but just see problems in the feasibility. Yes, Aldwych is no good, because you are faced with reinstating a train service there, apart from the lifts. Long shot-Kensington Olympia, which has a siding and not exactly an extensive Tube service at present, but is an operational Tube station. Definitely not a great deal of space, though there is some, to bolt a museum onto it, but what would the possibilities be of striking a deal with the Exhibition Centre owners to sell discounted tickets to the Ideal Homes Exhibition/Horse Of The Year Show etc. from the Kenny museum?? Would also be a darn site easier to run heritage stock from outer depots to there. And send Routemaster open-tops out to it, as well. |
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