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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 13:21:38 GMT
Fast getting the impression that contactless is best left for emergency use - when you've forgotten your Oyster or your Oyster is already in debit. Don't like the sound of the Monday-Sunday business and if you check LU's fares list revised 16th September the Contactless weekly cap is the same as that for the equivalent travelcard. There seems to be no daily cap.
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Post by class411 on Oct 11, 2014 16:02:17 GMT
I got this in an email from TFL:
"Daily and Monday to Sunday fare capping automatically works out the best value for contactless travel based on when and how you use it. You will need to use the same contactless payment card for all your journeys. "
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 20:58:29 GMT
My son recently used his Oyater on a "Boris Bus". It was rather crowded and his bank card in his back pack got pressed on the card reader and he heard it register. Is this common?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 11, 2014 21:32:06 GMT
My son recently used his Oyater on a "Boris Bus". It was rather crowded and his bank card in his back pack got pressed on the card reader and he heard it register. Is this common? This is the second report I've heard of this. There does seem to be a small issue where buses are fitted with remote readers (route 507, 521 and all the Borismaster routes - 8, 9, 10, 11, 24, 38, 148, 390, N38, N8 and soon the 453) and where people have contactless cards in pockets or bags that end up in the vicinity of a remote reader. It may be worth checking via the TfL website if the bank card has registered and been charged - you can do this even if the card is not registered with TfL. If he had already used an Oyster card to board the bus and then the bank card was activated on the same bus the Oyster help desk should be able to sort out the mischarge. I think the Oyster card has to be registered with TfL for this to work as the help desk can't adjust unregistered Oyster cards. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 16:13:02 GMT
My son recently used his Oyater on a "Boris Bus". It was rather crowded and his bank card in his back pack got pressed on the card reader and he heard it register. Is this common?
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Post by class411 on Oct 12, 2014 17:24:35 GMT
My son recently used his Oyater on a "Boris Bus". It was rather crowded and his bank card in his back pack got pressed on the card reader and he heard it register. Is this common? This is the second report I've heard of this. There does seem to be a small issue where buses are fitted with remote readers (route 507, 521 and all the Borismaster routes - 8, 9, 10, 11, 24, 38, 148, 390, N38, N8 and soon the 453) and where people have contactless cards in pockets or bags that end up in the vicinity of a remote reader. It may be worth checking via the TfL website if the bank card has registered and been charged - you can do this even if the card is not registered with TfL. If he had already used an Oyster card to board the bus and then the bank card was activated on the same bus the Oyster help desk should be able to sort out the mischarge. I think the Oyster card has to be registered with TfL for this to work as the help desk can't adjust unregistered Oyster cards. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 12, 2014 23:16:43 GMT
My son recently used his Oyater on a "Boris Bus". It was rather crowded and his bank card in his back pack got pressed on the card reader and he heard it register. Is this common? This is the second report I've heard of this. There does seem to be a small issue where buses are fitted with remote readers (route 507, 521 and all the Borismaster routes - 8, 9, 10, 11, 24, 38, 148, 390, N38, N8 and soon the 453) and where people have contactless cards in pockets or bags that end up in the vicinity of a remote reader. It may be worth checking via the TfL website if the bank card has registered and been charged - you can do this even if the card is not registered with TfL. If he had already used an Oyster card to board the bus and then the bank card was activated on the same bus the Oyster help desk should be able to sort out the mischarge. I think the Oyster card has to be registered with TfL for this to work as the help desk can't adjust unregistered Oyster cards. ?? Am I missing something here as to why my reply to an earlier post has been copied wholesale by someone else? Also bemused as to why the question has been repeated. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 13, 2014 3:00:53 GMT
?? Am I missing something here as to why my reply to an earlier post has been copied wholesale by someone else? Also bemused as to why the question has been repeated. I'm bemused as to why the question was repeated too, but I thought that class411 copying of your good answer was "novel". Perhaps next time it should be a quote though? |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 13, 2014 6:59:30 GMT
?? Am I missing something here as to why my reply to an earlier post has been copied wholesale by someone else? Also bemused as to why the question has been repeated. I'm bemused as to why the question was repeated too, but I thought that class411 copying of your good answer was "novel". Perhaps next time it should be a quote though? It's all down to this new fangled contact-less DD posting system. A yet-to-be-bent iPhone 6 in the back pocket automatically repeats the previous post and refuses to acknowledge snoggle when you sit down. |
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Post by class411 on Oct 13, 2014 8:04:12 GMT
?? Am I missing something here as to why my reply to an earlier post has been copied wholesale by someone else? Also bemused as to why the question has been repeated. I'm bemused as to why the question was repeated too, but I thought that class411 copying of your good answer was "novel". Perhaps next time it should be a quote though? Yes, I was just trying to be amusing (as I couldn't see why the question had been repeated). I copied the answer, rather than quoting it, so that the two pairs of posts would be as near identical as possible. |
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Post by castlebar on Oct 13, 2014 14:11:46 GMT
Machines that read cards in bags and wallets inside pockets is a known problem, but whilst companies are enjoying the extra revenue, they have no incentive to do anything about it, so they are "in denial" about it.
But I have seen advertised, within the last few days, aluminium pocket card holders, that should prevent this happening and also allegedly prevents bank card being skimmed,. I think these cost about £4, but they can easily save you that in just 1 day. The fact that these card holders are are advertised seems to confirm that the practice is more common than the who are the fiscal recipients of this scam care to admit.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 13, 2014 14:22:35 GMT
I would question the wisdom of keeping a wallet in a backpack. Asking to be stolen, particularly in a crowded bus or train.
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Post by stapler on Oct 13, 2014 15:05:43 GMT
Machines that read cards in bags and wallets inside pockets is a known problem, but whilst companies are enjoying the extra revenue, they have no incentive to do anything about it, so they are "in denial" about it. But I have seen advertised, within the last few days, aluminium pocket card holders, that should prevent this happening and also allegedly prevents bank card being skimmed,. I think these cost about £4, but they can easily save you that in just 1 day. The fact that these card holders are are advertised seems to confirm that the practice is more common than the who are the fiscal recipients of this scam care to admit. You don't need to spend £4. A double fold of turkey roasting foil is just as effective! |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 13, 2014 15:38:58 GMT
I would question the wisdom of keeping a wallet in a backpack. Asking to be stolen, particularly in a crowded bus or train. At least it would be an incentive to the selfish to take the bloody backpack off and put it between their feet when on a crowded bus or train. Might just give a bit more room for all the other poor standing sods and prevent the involuntary side-swiping that caused me to take one idiot to task last time I was down in London.  |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 13, 2014 15:56:40 GMT
I would question the wisdom of keeping a wallet in a backpack. Asking to be stolen, particularly in a crowded bus or train. At least it would be an incentive to the selfish to take the bloody backpack off and put it between their feet when on a crowded bus or train. Might just give a bit more room for all the other poor standing sods and prevent the involuntary side-swiping that caused me to take one idiot to task last time I was down in London. Remember once a similar situation, the person who got hit turned to the back packer and said: "Are you doing a parachute jump?" "Er no why?" "Well take it off before you take someones eye out!" Why aren't there posters re back packers, or at least get the station staff to ask them  |
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Post by class411 on Oct 13, 2014 18:45:15 GMT
You don't need to spend £4. A double fold of turkey roasting foil is just as effective! And if you make a nice little hat out of it it will stop 'them' from beaming unwanted thoughts into your brain. I'll get me coat. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 19:52:04 GMT
The safest place for your Bank Cards and Oyster card is in an inside jacket pocket, the backpack is too easy a target for thieves and pickpockets! I have noticed that even ladies jackets are starting to come with internal zippered pockets too nowadays - perhaps the manufacturers of ladies jackets are starting to wake up!!!
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Post by class411 on Oct 15, 2014 7:12:16 GMT
The safest place for your Bank Cards and Oyster card is in an inside jacket pocket, the backpack is too easy a target for thieves and pickpockets! I have noticed that even ladies jackets are starting to come with internal zippered pockets too nowadays - perhaps the manufacturers of ladies jackets are starting to wake up!!! I find trouser front pockets the best place. I don't always wear a jacket and I've never had one with a zippered inside pocket, anyway. You would need a far greater degreee of skill to remove a wallet from a deep trouser front pocket without the owner feeling it than from a back pocket or an unzippered jacket. I've never understood why anyone would use a back trouser pocket. It makes it uncomfortable to sit back and it's an open invitation to thieves. That said, I've rarely seen it used that way in real life. Mainly on films where it seems 'poserish' or 'beware of pickpocket' adverts. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 15, 2014 8:11:08 GMT
The safest place for your Bank Cards and Oyster card is in an inside jacket pocket, the backpack is too easy a target for thieves and pickpockets! I have noticed that even ladies jackets are starting to come with internal zippered pockets too nowadays - perhaps the manufacturers of ladies jackets are starting to wake up!!! I find trouser front pockets the best place. I don't always wear a jacket and I've never had one with a zippered inside pocket, anyway. You would need a far greater degreee of skill to remove a wallet from a deep trouser front pocket without the owner feeling it than from a back pocket or an unzippered jacket. I've never understood why anyone would use a back trouser pocket. It makes it uncomfortable to sit back and it's an open invitation to thieves. That said, I've rarely seen it used that way in real life. Mainly on films where it seems 'poserish' or 'beware of pickpocket' adverts. When I go abroad I carry a small 'pouch' which is looped thru' the trouser belt and then sits inside your trousers,I think I paid a fiver for it. Well worth it. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 15, 2014 9:33:42 GMT
I've never understood why anyone would use a back trouser pocket. I've rarely seen it used that way in real life. . I am increasingly seeing back pockets bulging with the shape of a mobile phone. Mine lives in my shirt pocket. Keys in one trouser front pocket, Wallet (with Oyster) in the other. Season ticket is the only thing in the back pocket. (I keep it apart from the Oyster to avoid absent-mindedly using the wrong one) |
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 15, 2014 14:46:21 GMT
I have a lanyard which I can clip onto my mobile, I can put my mobile in my shirt pocket with the lanyard around my neck.
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 20, 2014 8:44:28 GMT
I've used my contactless bank card to pay for a couple of Journeys now on the Tube/National Rail. I'm not sure quite how the technology works, but one thing that entered my mind was that, if a ticket inspector was to come round, and you present your bank card to their device, would it be able to show them that you had indeed touched in and made payment for your journey?
Also I've noticed that it takes a second or two longer for the bank card to register on the gate lines than it does Oyster, which has made me realise how fast I usually zip through as I have to pause for a little to avoid bumping into the barrier! It can also cause a chain reaction behind, so I think most commuters with Oyster must be used to going through quite fast!
Has anyone made the full switch yet, and if so have you found it any more/less beneficial?
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Post by bassmike on Nov 20, 2014 12:07:41 GMT
The most iconic use of trouser back-pockets is by poseurish golfers who amongst their other affectations seem to require a pair of gloves dangling precariously from same.
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 25, 2014 23:42:34 GMT
I've used my contactless bank card to pay for a couple of Journeys now on the Tube/National Rail. I'm not sure quite how the technology works, but one thing that entered my mind was that, if a ticket inspector was to come round, and you present your bank card to their device, would it be able to show them that you had indeed touched in and made payment for your journey? As I understand it - I may be wrong - in layman's terms, your card is recorded as having been inspected. At the end of the day the system is reconciled and if you have paid, they will see that you had a ticket when you were inspected and so you were fine. If you hadn't touched in when you were inspected you were naughty and hadn't paid - but they have your details (so presumably charge the maximum fare). Thus whilst the Inspector won't be able to see if you have a valid ticket his back office system will be. |
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