Suspended service

See, I knew there was a reason that they shouldn't have closed Epping to Ongar!

I was not sure if I was allowed to mention it online, but it gave me a good laugh when I was told about it.  I was told the shoes were not tied up correctly which lead to the snapping of shoe beam.

Given it happened at Chancery Lane, I'm just curious as to why Holborn wasn't used. It would be just as inconvenient a place to reverse, but would allow interchange with the Picc and access to the Vic, Bakerloo (from Oxford Circus) and Northern (from TCR) and would minimise the amount of Central line that was lost through suspension.

No doubt there's a reason, I'm just interested

I see Presumably that's all one section?

Not If it causes this much trouble!

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/chaos-on-central-line-platforms-as-police-are-called-to-deal-with-unsafe-overcrowding-9766603.html

A few of the comments underneath that article are enough to make a grown man cry

Especially after somebody decided to redecorate some of the rolling stock

www.brentwoodgazette.co.uk/Vandals-attack-heritage-railway-trains-graffiti/story-23015082-detail/story.html

Didn’t they haul them by road in the past and this was the first time they’d tried doing it on the rails?


I don’t know what action the station staff took and I’m not going to speculate but basic fire training would tell you that if you are evacuating a station the one thing you don’t do is shut the Bostwicks especially if you’ve got trains tipping out on an island platform!

One thing that did spring to mind is that currently Leytonstone is home to four Station Supervisors, three SAMFs and five CSAs, from my memory of station rostering that should mean that on a weekday morning peak there would be a Super in the office/control room doing PAs and watching CCTV, an SAMF in the ticket office, one CSA on the barrier and another on the WB platform doing SATS.

Fit for the Future will give Leytonstone five CSS2s and two part time CSA1s, in a similar situation I guess that one CSS would be in the office, another would be in the ticket hall watching the barrier and helping on the ticket machines with the part time CSA on the WB platform. There will also be a mobile CSM2 covering the five stations between Woodford and Leyton but the likelihood is that in an emergency situation they are not going to be at the station involved.

Edit: Duplicate post removed. DavidH

Word around the mess room is that the crush on Plat 1 & 2 was due to a failure to pass on information to the station staff, one minute it was a normal Wednesday morning peak with a defective train at TCR, a WB train was reversed off the middle platform, two more trains came in and they tipped out onto an already crowded platform.

I thought the Cravens all had high rise shoegear anyway, so don't understand why it should break in these circumstances.

Yeah I know it isn't many peoples favourite stock but I like the sound of it and look. Plus the line does go to great places too.

I was at Leytonstone around 12 and it was fairly quiet then Stratford was very busy though.

My understanding is the incident will be the subject of an (internal) Formal Investigation, so the facts should become known, lessons will be learned and I'm sure any underlying issues addressed.

Regarding service recovery, the reality is that with a disruption of this scale, you will never recover until the late turn drivers have all booked on. This doesn't start to happen until about 12:30, then allow another few hours for trains to be reformed up and all the remaining earlies and middles to finish, so in reality the recovery was about what would be expected in the circumstances, especially on a line with multiple branches. Obviously a line like the Victoria Line would expect to recover much more quickly.

There's only so much preparation that can be done. Getting in extra staff is not an option. Those drivers who are not out & about can be sent to depot ready to come out 'right time', but the reality is there would have been trains and drivers all over the place.

Do we know how long it took T22 to get into a station and also how come the second 92TS was able to go through the area unscathed (in order to push T22 out)?

Thank you, I actually LOLed when I read that. At the moment we're short staffed on the Central Line, every day I start work the booking on sheet is littered with NCA - no cover available - where a TOps name should be. Anyone not working is either on a "rest day", on holiday, off sick or doing refresher training, we don't do overtime so there are no extra staff to get in.

The forum staff have been approached by the former Chairman of Cravens Hertitage Trains, asking that a statement is posted in this thread, which the staff are happy to action:




Admin hat on - the internet and the forums that exist are wonderful places where like minded people can openly share information and ideas. However there is a darker side, when speculation or guesstimation starts to creep in.

On this forum the staff try to allow open discussion whenever we can, however second guessing or 2nd/3rd hand information will almost certainly be unreliable, not because someone is trying to intentionally mislead, but simply through misunderstanding or miscommunication.

Its important that whatever investigation is now taking place, can do so without prejudice and that we, the District Dave LU Forum, do not become part of the rumour mill that might add to a confusing picture of what actually took place. That would dishonour the late gentleman who created this forum back in mid-February 2005.

I am not locking this thread because the staff trust the membership not to speculate further about the incident and also to allow anyone else with constructive input to post below - Admin hat off

Kind regards

ChrisW