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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 19:25:31 GMT
I've always wonder when was the last time the EAL sidings were used. When I go pass it, I see no action going on and it looks heavily overgrown. Another thing I would like to ask is when was the Central line connecting track removed?
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Post by Colin on Sept 17, 2014 22:27:23 GMT
This is one of those recurring subjects that get asked once a year every year!
In the 10 years I've been driving trains on the District, I only recall the sidings being used once; to stable engineering trains.......probably around 2006 or 2007.
The sidings are supposed to be going but no date has been set yet.
The crossover was removed on May 31st 2010.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:35:03 GMT
When you do road training do you ever go in there, just in case, or do you just talk people through them?
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Post by Colin on Sept 17, 2014 23:35:26 GMT
All moves on a given line fall into one of two categories:
1) Practical - must be done by driving a train over the route
2) Theory - can be driven over but usually done by professional discussion/hiking/diagrams/video
Ealing sidings are a theory job.
It mostly boils down to whether or not a move is timetabled.
Given that theory moves are not timetabled, its usually unlikely to be done practically unless there's a service problem, engineering works or a an I/O using a bit of imagination.
So for example, a couple of weekends ago engineering works meant I was able to do bonus practical moves at Aldgate East, South Kensington and Gloucester Road middle platform - all only required to be done in theory. This evening we were running early on our eastbound trip so I called up the Barking signaller and requested that we be routed through West Ham siding - again its only required to done by theory but we got a bonus practical move on it.
I wouldn't bother trying to get a practical move at Ealing sidings though - there's no point as like I say, there hasn't been a District train in there for at least 10 years that I know of. In any case, they're going to be removed at some point in the future anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 23:37:38 GMT
Thanks!  Are there any others (apart from Ealing sidings, I'm assuming) you've never done yourself? |
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Post by Colin on Sept 17, 2014 23:49:00 GMT
Just the one - I have never reversed East to West at Aldgate East!
EDIT: not done either move at East Putney either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 23:58:31 GMT
No East Putney would be quite something wouldn't it?
Is that move at Aldgate East still controlled by colour-light signal OB44? Only I know the signalling's changed a tad recently and I can never see that signal when I go past!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 5:40:17 GMT
The sidings have been de-commissioned
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Post by Colin on Sept 18, 2014 11:27:48 GMT
Is that move at Aldgate East still controlled by colour-light signal OB44? Yes The sidings have been de-commissioned As is usual, might have nice if we on the operating side had been told!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:54:41 GMT
The relevant people were informed obviously this has not filtered down
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 18, 2014 13:01:00 GMT
This may be a little off topic, but what actually happens when a piece of track is decommissioned? I assume some sort of sticker or note is placed over a switch or on a screen before the track is physically removed.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 18, 2014 15:27:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 16:34:33 GMT
This may be a little off topic, but what actually happens when a piece of track is decommissioned? I assume some sort of sticker or note is placed over a switch or on a screen before the track is physically removed. The fuses for the track circuits was removed and the points are scotched and clipped so even IF the signaller decided to press the wrong button nothing would actually move but would lock the site up if they not watching what there doing. The P-Way is in such a terrible state in the sidings and with the current passenger trains unable to fit in the sidings it was decided to stop wasting time for maintenance on equipment that never gets used. Also the signaller should have a collar on the button a type of cover for the button so it can't be pressed easily. |
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Post by roythebus on Sept 18, 2014 16:46:22 GMT
The Putney Bridge crossover used to be a timetabled move by the Upminster-PB staff train, back to PG at about 0140.
Aldgate East used to be timetabled for the first couple of WB trains on Sundays from Upminster.
Last time I used EBdy sidings was about 1973....we used to shunt 2 cars there outside the peak. There was an odd working mid morning which saw 3 or 4 2-car units coupled together empty to EC depot!
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 18, 2014 17:09:30 GMT
This may be a little off topic, but what actually happens when a piece of track is decommissioned? I assume some sort of sticker or note is placed over a switch or on a screen before the track is physically removed. The fuses for the track circuits was removed and the points are scotched and clipped so even IF the signaller decided to press the wrong button nothing would actually move but would lock the site up if they not watching what there doing. The P-Way is in such a terrible state in the sidings and with the current passenger trains unable to fit in the sidings it was decided to stop wasting time for maintenance on equipment that never gets used. Also the signaller should have a collar on the button a type of cover for the button so it can't be pressed easily. Thanks for that - always wondered about it. Is there a gap between the points taken out of service and the physical work done to it or is it as soon as possible? Thought there would be something over the button |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 18, 2014 17:44:18 GMT
I tried to read the article 3 times, but it kept being overwritten by an article on the Scottish referendum.  Fortunately on the fourth attempt an exit cross appeared. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 17:44:23 GMT
No work has been done to track as this is not priority eventually it will be removed totally before the eventual upgrade whenever that happens
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 18, 2014 17:52:53 GMT
I tried to read the article 3 times, but it kept being overwritten by an article on the Scottish referendum. Fortunately on the fourth attempt an exit cross appeared. Thats the Scottish flag - not an exit cross *snickers*  |
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Post by Tom on Sept 18, 2014 21:26:37 GMT
The sidings have been de-commissioned Decommissioned or taken out of use? Decommissioning would involve a change to drawings and making the inability to select routes more permanent. As an aside the sidings were last used shortly before the crossover was decommissioned - I believe either at the beginning or end of May 2010. The last time before that was 2005, and before that, who knows? I know withdrawn R stock was stabled there in the early 1980s, anything since then? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 6:46:17 GMT
Ok well as it stands now they have been taken out of service with the paperwork to be drawn up to formally de-commission the sidings
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Post by Tom on Sept 19, 2014 21:40:02 GMT
That sounds more like it, our area would step in for decommissioning. Though there was that shunt signal that had mods commissioned by two maintenance testers...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 23:28:25 GMT
The Putney Bridge crossover used to be a timetabled move by the Upminster-PB staff train, back to PG at about 0140. Aldgate East used to be timetabled for the first couple of WB trains on Sundays from Upminster. I'm fairly certain nothing is booked to do Putney Bridge in service (it would seem unlikely), I'm not sure whether there is an empty WB-EB shunt booked. At Aldgate East, on Sundays, as you say the 06:26 and 06:46 Aldgate East - Upminster (trains 32 and 34 respectively) do the crossover WB-EB in service. It should also be used throughout the weekend of the 25th and 26th of October due to planned engineering works in the city. I think, however, that the move Colin is yet to do is the shunt in the opposite direction. I suppose this is one that would be easier for a west end driver to get than an east end one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 23:47:55 GMT
The Putney Bridge crossover is controlled by shunt signal WG7. Certainly nothing is booked to go over it in passenger service. However, that doesn't mean that a train couldn't be booked to use it, just that no passengers are meant to be on it when it is used. I don't know whether any train is currently booked to reverse at Putney Bridge, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 8:37:35 GMT
The Putney Bridge crossover is controlled by shunt signal WG7. Certainly nothing is booked to go over it in passenger service. However, that doesn't mean that a train couldn't be booked to use it, just that no passengers are meant to be on it when it is used. I don't know whether any train is currently booked to reverse at Putney Bridge, though. I don't think that an S7 will fit into the bay road at Putney Bridge; D stock don't fit either. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 9:27:21 GMT
Putney Bridge bay is currently decommissioned - it was on 4/6/14. However, it has been used a couple of times since to stable engineers vehicles. And S and D Stock definitely won't fit.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 5, 2014 9:36:18 GMT
I don't know whether any train is currently booked to reverse at Putney Bridge, though. As mentioned before in the Putney Bridge thread, the current only scheduled use of the crossover is: Sunday 0648 Parsons Green 28 (empty) 0650 Parsons Green WB (empty) 0652 Putney Bridge WB (empty) reverse via crossover 0700 Putney Bridge EB (passenger) to High Street Kensington. This remains after 14 December. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 13:37:30 GMT
The Putney Bridge crossover is controlled by shunt signal WG7. Certainly nothing is booked to go over it in passenger service. However, that doesn't mean that a train couldn't be booked to use it, just that no passengers are meant to be on it when it is used. I don't know whether any train is currently booked to reverse at Putney Bridge, though. I don't think that an S7 will fit into the bay road at Putney Bridge; D stock don't fit either. You're certainly right about the bay. The crossover to the west of the station can still be used by both, though. In fact I seem to remember - after the demise of the C stock and the end of passenger trains using the bay - that the line was suspended Putney Bridge - Wimbledon recently. Can't remember what the problem was, though. I don't know whether any train is currently booked to reverse at Putney Bridge, though. As mentioned before in the Putney Bridge thread, the current only scheduled use of the crossover is: Sunday 0648 Parsons Green 28 (empty) 0650 Parsons Green WB (empty) 0652 Putney Bridge WB (empty) reverse via crossover 0700 Putney Bridge EB (passenger) to High Street Kensington. This remains after 14 December. I knew we'd talked about it somewhere, thanks for that |
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Are there any others (apart from Ealing sidings, I'm assuming) you've never done yourself?
Fortunately on the fourth attempt an exit cross appeared.
