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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2005 20:39:21 GMT
Apologies if there is already a thread on this but what are your views on that TV series called The Tube (not the 80s rock and pop sensation)? Is it an accurate portrayal and did anyone posting here appear?
I remember working on the South Eastern division of Network SouthEast when the service was 100% slam door and our managers thought it would be a good idea to invite the TV people in to make a film. Would have been, only they called it "Old, Dirty and Late". Didn't go down very well but I'm not sure what they really expected.
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Post by Phil on Sept 23, 2005 20:56:17 GMT
I remember Old Dirty and Late: typical TV interpretation of the truth. Didn't believe it at all (but sadly a lot of the general public might have)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2005 21:16:17 GMT
Yup - I wasn't front line staff (worked at Friars Bridge Court) but the frustration of seeing a complete hatchet job without any kind of understanding of the problems was total. It's fairly disturbing that whenever you see something in the media on a subject you know about, it's practically always inaccurate. Who knows what else we're being fed! I should have started this in the Rants bit, I suppose!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 1:36:04 GMT
I enjoyed both series of The Tube, and I know at least one of our members was shown! I'll not say who though!
I think LU were a bit annoyed at the way certain parts were edited, for example Acton driver Miranda SPADding the starter at High Street, then saying it was part of the job, like hitting parked cars is part of the job for bus drivers!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 9:08:49 GMT
I think LU were a bit annoyed at the way certain parts were edited, for example Acton driver Miranda SPADding the starter at High Street, then saying it was part of the job, like hitting parked cars is part of the job for bus drivers! I am amazed that she still has a job with an attitude like that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 9:08:51 GMT
Hmm The Tube... I like the classic editing of the new Op at Golders Green having her sweat day. We're supposedly heading to Edgware and are shown the West Coast Main Line and the Bakerloo!!! Laughs all round at Miranda, then theres the broken train at Earls Court, and we get views of HSK. I too remember Old, Dirty and Late. I still have it somewhere after recording it all those years ago. Give me an EPB non-gangwayed unit!!!
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Post by citysig on Sept 24, 2005 10:44:25 GMT
Strangely enough (or maybe not which is why it is referred to) I caught that very episode the other night on Sky Travel. They generally show an episode around midnight.
On the whole, I think the series should have been shown on national ITV rather than the London area. At the very least show it in the regions that are likely to be regular travellers to London.
It is for once, a pretty honest and independant look at the system. It doesn't try too hard to make everything look good (in the way some managers would like) and also doesn't waste time in trying to knock everything we do. In an argument between passenger and company, it appears more likely to take the company's view before the passenger.
Series three should be with us soon (unless I've missed it somewhere - haven't seen anyone else on here talking about it though.)
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Post by Phil on Sept 24, 2005 11:36:27 GMT
On the whole, I think the series should have been shown on national ITV rather than the London area. At the very least show it in the regions that are likely to be regular travellers to London. Ah- that explains why I have trawled the TV listings and cannot find it down west.
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Post by solidbond on Sept 24, 2005 12:36:43 GMT
Remember, if anyone wants a copy of both series 1 & 2 of 'The Tube' on DVD, drop me a PM for details.
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 24, 2005 13:27:29 GMT
I enjoyed both series of The Tube, and I know at least one of our members was shown! I'll not say who though! Although Alan wasn't talking about my fine features , I was in that episode briefly, moving that defective D stock off High St. Ken, but my trainee didn't wish to be on TV so most of the footage of me was edited out. Bah!! It was the later editing that made me laugh (and cringe). When Miranda was made to watch the SPAD video, our DMT said something along the lines of "when a driver has a SPAD, they have to watch this SPAD video" it must have then be cut and then he said "most of our drivers have seen this video several times now"!! Now what was said wasn't an untruth, we have all seen it at least 3 times, but not because we've had a SPAD. We got spoon fed the video several times during Team talks. I reckon they make you watch it after a SPAD as punishment for the cock up. Still it could be worse, they could have made us watch 3 hours of Crossroads instead!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2005 13:29:15 GMT
Although Alan wasn't talking about my fine features , I was in that episode briefly, moving that defective D stock off High St. Ken, but my trainee didn't wish to be on TV so most of the footage of me was edited out. Bah!! You are still shown for about 2 seconds.
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Post by richardh on Oct 4, 2005 14:47:32 GMT
The Tube is currently on most nights of the week on Sky Travel at 12am, if you haven't seen it already.
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Post by citysig on Oct 4, 2005 15:02:40 GMT
The Tube is currently on most nights of the week on Sky Travel at 12am, if you haven't seen it already. Well I never... I caught that very episode the other night on Sky Travel. They generally show an episode around midnight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2005 16:17:43 GMT
o yes i remember planet miranda
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Post by Colin on Oct 5, 2005 1:55:55 GMT
There's an episode with a revenue inspector (Northern line I think) on a tube platform being particularly aggressive with a customer. Now wether or not the guy has a ticket is not the point - there's no need for the revenue inspector to act the way he did. This 'inspector' also appears in another episode at a ticket barrier, and again is over the top with his aggressiveness. I'm actually surprised that LUL approve these type of things (including the Miranda saga), as they hardly put LUL in any form of positive light. I feel the tube programe is, IMHO, mostly a load of tosh. What they need to be showing is managers / control rooms / signal operators making decisions that affect the day to day service. How top managers come up with daft ideas, and discussing them with the unions. What's actually involved in an engineering possesion. The aggro customers cause at ticket office windows and how crowd control works at large events. And if they're gonna show someone in training, show the whole lot. That's the real underground, the one the public needs to see, and will find more interesting. Oh well, no doubt series 3 will be the same old rubbish. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by citysig on Oct 5, 2005 8:22:48 GMT
There's an episode with a revenue inspector (Northern line I think) on a tube platform being particularly aggressive with a customer. Now wether or not the guy has a ticket is not the point - there's no need for the revenue inspector to act the way he did. Funny you should post this, as I was about to mention him as well. Just lately they've been doing several checks at King's Cross. On my way home last night this very inspector was there, all pumped up on his own ego. He pulled me up in a very broad, deep and loud "See your ticket please sir." I hope he notice my look which I tried to convey of "What the bloody hell do you think you are and what job do you think you're actually doing?" After seeing the pass, he gave me a slight tap on the shoulder and said "Thank you mate." I wonder then if he heard me mumble "tosser" as I walked away. Whatever they are here for, and I agree they should protect revenue (as it's our wages) there's no need to stand around like you own the place. I would have loved to have been the Station Supervisor in the episode mentioned, and when he said "This is my station" to the chap, I would have turned round and said "Oh I thought it was mine, but in that case, here's the keys I'm off for a pint ;D"
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Post by motormanmet on Jan 11, 2006 23:46:30 GMT
Just scrolling through and saw this post, have to agree about that District driver (miranda?), i don't think editing would make much difference, she has an appalling attitude and makes us proper drivers look bad - no wonder the public have such a poor perception of drivers with ITV guff like this, have to say the programme has awful docusoap type theme music, generally boring stories (did anyone fall asleep during the busker episode?) and patronising narration.
At least the narration is not as bad as Big Red Bus narrated by Nick O'Dwyer, the most patronising turd on Tv (i think he did the sneering docu on britains fattest man - shameful how he treats his subjects). The way it's worded, i think they need to reduce his dosage.
The 'agressive' RPI in question, be he the one with tache?
PS i remember old, dirty and late well, at least it showed the realities of how poor things were at the time, if only 'The Tube' could sometimes show this instead of watering down the problem scenarios to look almost comical for the benefit of dumbed-down ITV viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2006 6:49:43 GMT
After seeing the pass, he gave me a slight tap on the shoulder and said "Thank you mate." I wonder then if he heard me mumble "tosser" as I walked away. Nice one. I also am very surprised Miranda was shown as well, the attitude of her and this ticket bloke (I think his name is xxxxxx xxxxx) is quite, quite appalling. Also did anyone notice the chap doing the gateline at Victoria? He's going on about elderly passengers, "I don't even check their tickets, I know they've got tickets anyway. You have to have respect because they were in the war." Then after he lets a parade of old ladies through stops a man (Who I think was a tourist) dead in his path and confuses the life out of him by taking his ticket away. I bet his GSM was happy. Mod comment:Please do not post the full names of current members of staff, amongst the many reasons why is one called the data protection act Colin.
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Post by allchange on Jan 12, 2006 8:15:40 GMT
He's the one who also seemed to think it was right to walk in for work in the mid-afternoon, and then leave an hour or so later during the tube strike!? He was definatly showing off to the cameras! Miranda! I'd like to give her a massive slap round her face. Doesn't she realise that she put hundreads of lives at risk?! I hope they've fired her! You would've thought that because they commissioned series 3, they'd put the effort into making new titles/credits and music? These have got to be the worst on TV! The narrator isn't as bad as Big Red Bus, and to be honest, if they got someone "lively", then it wouldn't be the same for some reason? Also, with most of the "younger" ones featured, you could tell it was another job to them. They were just there for the 9 to 5, got a chance to appear on camera and thats it for the day. This is who they seem to feature more, and it just makes the show completely pointless as it ends up telling you very little about The Tube!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2006 12:31:27 GMT
He's the one who also seemed to think it was right to walk in for work in the mid-afternoon, and then leave an hour or so later during the tube strike!? He was definatly showing off to the cameras! Come to think of it I don't think any of Victoria's station staff made themselves look very good. I couldn't help feeling sorry for the chinese lady when the supervisor took her travelcard away - I know she got it from a tout and he was doing the right thing but the look of dismay said it all. Also the quite large coloured lady kicking the beggers off the Victoria line train seemed up herself rather a lot as well - comparing homelessness to paying taxes!! Doesn't seem the same thing to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2006 12:51:52 GMT
Mind you I think I should mention some of the good things about this series. I enjoyed the episode where new man Terence went through his Northern Line training as 44 year man Keith was having his last day. Keith also popped up in another episode, talking about 'Tox' - "If I met Tox I'd give 'im a kicking!"
Also I find the staff at Brixton (Supervisor Monty and GSM Paul) quite watchable too, the bet with the 6 coke cans made me smile, as did the whole escalator story (One was out of action for a long time, the time to fix it over-ran horribly and when it was fixed the one next door more or less packed up straight away), mind you I bet ther punters weren't too happy!
I found the episode featuring H&C driver Alan quite moving, as his very - near one under was having very obvious effects. I'm very surprised that a driver let someone film all this and I just hope it didn't take him long to get back to normal. I think I can safely say if someone grabbed the Pos/Neg rail in front of me, even though I'd just made a mayday on the radio, it would seriously freak me out.
I think generally the second series was better than the first, the only episode I wasn't really that into was the one on Canary Wharf - look forward to seeing Series 3!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 7:25:31 GMT
Mod comment:Please do not post the full names of current members of staff, amongst the many reasons why is one called the data protection act Colin. I wouldn't normally but as his name was announced on a TV programme with the potential to be seen by millions of people I thought it would be ok.
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Post by Colin on Jan 14, 2006 7:53:08 GMT
I did wonder how you knew! Anyway, the point is this forum is in the public domain, and is known about by senior managers at LUL. If you were that member of staff, how would you feel? It's one thing to be talked about - quite another to have your name announced. Also, as I originally mentioned, the data protection act plays a part also - as the persons name appeared here, there is nothing to stop you storing it on your computer. Unless you have a valid reason to store it, you are breaking the law. By not posting full names in the first place we stay out of trouble Colin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 7:58:10 GMT
I did wonder how you knew! Anyway, the point is this forum is in the public domain, and is known about by senior managers at LUL. If you were that member of staff, how would you feel? It's one thing to be talked about - quite another to have your name announced. Also, as I originally mentioned, the data protection act plays a part also - as the persons name appeared here, there is nothing to stop you storing it on your computer. Unless you have a valid reason to store it, you are breaking the law. By not posting full names in the first place we stay out of trouble Colin. Fair enough. It all makes sense. As I say I thought in this case it would be different as his name was on the telly and announced to the world that way. It's been taken on board and I will keep it in mind - as you can imagine the last thing I (or indeed all the members I imagine) want is to get the forum into trouble
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 16:08:18 GMT
did anyone posting here appear? i was in the first series for about 5 seconds , as i am sure the staff members on this group will agree, i spent most of the time picking huge holes in the programme . so many things on there that made me laugh, for example, :---- since when do you clout a stick and the manager escorts you to look at the stick in question ? " look driver this is the signal u hit ( as if u needed to be reminded) so dont be a naughty driver and hit one again please ;D ;D ;D ;D also ,if u looked closely , when the trainee was announcing , we are approcahing kennington this train terminates here all change please, the train then arrived at leicester square , loads more exapmles i could name but ill let you work them out for yourselves from a public point of view and an anoraks point of view, this programme is very entertaining but i do wish the producers and editors would pay more attention to detail
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 16:20:14 GMT
also ,if u looked closely , when the trainee was announcing , we are approcahing kennington this train terminates here all change please, the train then arrived at leicester square , loads more exapmles i could name but ill let you work them out for yourselves One I always spot is when the Victoria supervisor retrieves some boxes from the District line track then a 96 stock train approaches from a tube tunnel mouth just after he picks up the last box, it then cuts back to him walking off. Some wrong stick taken there
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 20:06:58 GMT
I met some of the production team when they were doing the first series (they didn't film me!) and I got the impression it was a distinctly low budget operation.
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Post by edb on Jan 15, 2006 20:26:53 GMT
I would agree that it is low budget. Why do you think that the theme music has not changed.
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Post by c5 on Jan 15, 2006 22:18:09 GMT
What was more odd in my opinion and lots of ather programmes fo this, is have a clip of a train approaching a green signal, and play it in reverse. Yes the film "crew" looked like they were doing a college project did anyone posting here appear? i was in the first series for about 5 seconds , as i am sure the staff members on this group will agree, i spent most of the time picking huge holes in the programme . so many things on there that made me laugh, for example, :---- since when do you clout a stick and the manager escorts you to look at the stick in question ? " look driver this is the signal u hit ( as if u needed to be reminded) so dont be a naughty driver and hit one again please ;D ;D ;D ;D also ,if u looked closely , when the trainee was announcing , we are approcahing kennington this train terminates here all change please, the train then arrived at leicester square , loads more exapmles i could name but ill let you work them out for yourselves from a public point of view and an anoraks point of view, this programme is very entertaining but i do wish the producers and editors would pay more attention to detail
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Post by trainopd78 on Jan 15, 2006 22:40:13 GMT
did anyone posting here appear? i was in the first series for about 5 seconds , as i am sure the staff members on this group will agree, i spent most of the time picking huge holes in the programme . so many things on there that made me laugh, for example, :---- since when do you clout a stick and the manager escorts you to look at the stick in question ? " look driver this is the signal u hit ( as if u needed to be reminded) so dont be a naughty driver and hit one again please ;D ;D ;D ;D The DMT's on the District (well on the west end at least) do this as a matter of course, and just to rub salt into the wound the poor sod gets put with an IO like myself for a trip just to prolong the embarassment. I believe its called backside covering but it also aids in delivering the corrective action plan to stop such events re-occurring.
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