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Post by superteacher on Jul 26, 2014 19:45:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 20:07:12 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a discrepancy between the information given by the RMT source
And that given by the LU spokesman
I think we may have to await further details on this one.
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Post by domh245 on Jul 26, 2014 20:16:53 GMT
I don't want to ignite any arguments, but it sounds to me like the RMT are trying to build up some examples of where the driver has saved the day, regardless of how strenuously it is linked. Seeing as there is the imminent prospect of UTO on the next generation of deep tube stock, and the RMT would be trying to keep their members in a job, they will always try to paint a picture of "driver saves train from catastrophe" even if it is a bit of a lie. But I would agree with tut that some further details would be useful, seeing as the two sources would appear to be contradictory. |
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Post by sawb on Jul 26, 2014 20:20:03 GMT
I don't want to ignite any arguments, but it sounds to me like the RMT are trying to build up some examples of where the driver has saved the day, regardless of how strenuously it is linked. Seeing as there is the imminent prospect of UTO on the next generation of deep tube stock, and the RMT would be trying to keep their members in a job, they will always try to paint a picture of "driver saves train from catastrophe" even if it is a bit of a lie. But I would agree with tut that some further details would be useful, seeing as the two sources would appear to be contradictory. More likely supporting the argument against general staffing and maintenance cut backs, but as tut said, further details would be useful given the seemingly majorly conflicting quotes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 20:20:50 GMT
Mmmm I seem to remember there was an incident at Finchley Central post-TBTC where a train was wrongly signalled onto the Mill Hill East branch when another train was still on the branch. Obviously this is a bit of a problem as the branch is single track for most of the way, but the RMT reported it as though there was a big danger to passengers when really the signalling would never have allowed the trains to come together and the second train signalled onto the branch merely needed to head back into Finchley Central.
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Post by metrailway on Jul 27, 2014 7:57:17 GMT
These are very bizarre statements. Are LU in some sort of denial regarding the seriousness of the incident?
The track itself is above the pit! And of course there is always a danger to passengers if you have bits of masonry falling in tube tunnels.
There have been incidents on the mainline with lose debris but at no time would Network Rail or the TOC put out a dismissive statement like "At no time was there any danger to passengers."
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Post by jamesb on Jul 27, 2014 8:27:35 GMT
I was just thinking exactly the same thing. The wording was unfortunate. "This was an isolated incident and no passengers came to any harm" would have been more accurate and believable.
I'm sure finding bits of tunnel in a poor state or repair isn't uncommon given the age of the tube with 'patching up' e.g. on the Jubilee Line in the direction of St John's Wood.
In recent years, almost everything has been advertised as getting invested in apart from the tunnels... New track, new signals, new trains... "New Tunnel Walls' sounds a bit less sexy!
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Post by theblackferret on Jul 27, 2014 10:54:33 GMT
Looks suspiciously from the photo like it fell on the railway and bounced off into the pit.
Good job no train was underneath it at the time.
Obviously, management will try and play it down-that's what they are there for; to reassure the public. Same with 24-hr services being safe.
That's not to imply great swathes of tunnel lining are about to cascade down throughout the system in the next few days, because they very probably aren't.
Simply that management wouldn't know one way or the other if that were the case, or whether a race of prehistoric vampire bats are gallantly holding the crumbling masonry together. |
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