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Post by melikepie on Jul 15, 2014 14:26:36 GMT
There are four platforms and three tracks at Cockfosters. Whenever I commute from there most of the time the doors open on Platform 3 and rarely platform 2. Why is this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 18:38:20 GMT
I think I saw a thread on this last week, but it may have been in relation to a different station. I think its to do with the staff who check the train and then manually close the doors are based on that platform.
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Post by rummer on Jul 15, 2014 19:54:35 GMT
Its to do with mirror and monitor alignments on that platform as a driver we have a blind spot on that platform so its safer to use platform 3
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 20:03:00 GMT
I think at Morden as well platform 1 is/was very rarely used - if ever. I assume there might be something similar at one of Morden's four other platforms as well. Also at Loughton I was there today and the train reversing in the middle road to head back to Northolt (according to the indicator on the platform anyway) was actually closed up on eastbound platform 3 (where we all got off) by the T/Op using the porter buttons. I don't think it was going out of service, I think it was opened up from the cab on westbound platform 2 (I've seen this before) but my Epping train pulled out before I could actually confirm this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 20:06:11 GMT
I think I saw a thread on this last week, but it may have been in relation to a different station. I think its to do with the staff who check the train and then manually close the doors are based on that platform. Yeah, I presume it was this thread about Barking? Apparently, to add to my above post, it's true of Golders Green as well and probably many others. I believe the doors only open on one side in the bay platform at Greenford served by national rail trains (for the moment), as well.
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Post by suncloud on Jul 15, 2014 20:06:48 GMT
(Edit: At Loughton:) They nearly always off load to platform 3 (for interchange to epping trains from p4) and load from platform 2, (so all westbound departures leave that island)....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 20:13:18 GMT
They nearly always off load to platform 3 (for interchange to epping trains from p4) and load from platform 2, (so all westbound departures leave that island).... Yeah that much makes perfect sense, I'm just surprised it's considered necessary to close up using the porter buttons (or at all, really). It's obviously a very smart idea to open up on platform 3, although it wouldn't seem to do any real harm to open up on 2 as well; or open up on 3 first (a sort of shepherding manoeuvre) and then open up on 2 - possibly waiting until the train in the middle is the next departure, so that everyone takes the train on platform 1 before that time. But it strikes me that it wouldn't do any harm to leave the doors on 3 open, although I suppose some people might board there hoping to get to Epping. I guess that's why it's closed up with the porter buttons? So any hapless souls can be pointed in the right direction. It just struck me, as I watched it, as a little unnecessary when the doors on 3 could be shut from the cab; but as we know, punters do not listen to announcements, so maybe it works out as a good use of time after all. End of waffle.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 15, 2014 20:32:26 GMT
At Loughton, sometimes on terminating trains the driver opens up the doors on the westbound then closes the doors on the eastbound from the cab.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 20:35:44 GMT
Fair enough, thanks I suppose it's just up to the individual really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 13:59:00 GMT
At Uxbridge it is always platform 3 and not platform 2, even more so with 'correct side door enable' (CSDE). Only once in my 65 years have I ever been on a train that opened doors both sides, and that was a 1959 Stock many moons ago.
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 17, 2014 0:34:29 GMT
At Uxbridge it is always platform 3 and not platform 2, even more so with 'correct side door enable' (CSDE). Only once in my 65 years have I ever been on a train that opened doors both sides, and that was a 1959 Stock many moons ago. CSDE can be set for doors to open nearside, offside or both sides. This is set at the trackside transmitter unit. I can recall trains at Golders Green and Arnos Grove with doors open both sides in the late 1970s although I don't recall it at Cockfosters or Uxbridge then or since and don't remember it happening at White City either.
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Post by rummer on Jul 17, 2014 18:37:40 GMT
At Arnos Grove a train that is reversing in the middle platform will open doors on both sides
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 19:28:39 GMT
At Uxbridge it is always platform 3 and not platform 2, even more so with 'correct side door enable' (CSDE). Only once in my 65 years have I ever been on a train that opened doors both sides, and that was a 1959 Stock many moons ago. CSDE can be set for doors to open nearside, offside or both sides. This is set at the trackside transmitter unit. I can recall trains at Golders Green and Arnos Grove with doors open both sides in the late 1970s although I don't recall it at Cockfosters or Uxbridge then or since and don't remember it happening at White City either. Its only one loop that changes it in the TX of the CSDE when we do get spares and they are very few and far between they all come set to Nearside
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 19, 2014 7:45:55 GMT
CSDE can be set for doors to open nearside, offside or both sides. This is set at the trackside transmitter unit. I can recall trains at Golders Green and Arnos Grove with doors open both sides in the late 1970s although I don't recall it at Cockfosters or Uxbridge then or since and don't remember it happening at White City either. Its only one loop that changes it in the TX of the CSDE when we do get spares and they are very few and far between they all come set to Nearside In all the CSDE installations that I did I can only recall setting the disc to yellow on a single transmitter but I simply can't recall which station it was. There were quite a few set to red where platforms had three loops and reversing moves. More than once, some time after installation, I had to shift a short loop from platform head to platform tail such as at Olympia.
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Post by Ben on Jul 19, 2014 19:33:27 GMT
Ive been to Uxbridge a few times where a Met has opened up on both sides, and I'm sure I recall seeing a 73 with both sides open having disembarked a Met on platform 4, however this was all over a decade ago and since then increasingly stern warnings have appeared for the TOps.
One would hope as time goes on such things are slowly corrected, not least to aid crowd flow, but I guess it all depends on new stock.
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Post by v52gc on Jul 24, 2014 14:34:11 GMT
At Cockfosters it has to do if assisted dispatch is required.
As Platform 3 is a Category B the driver can dispatch themselves if there is a problem with the OPO equipment.
Platform 2 used to be a Category A which required staff assistance if there was a problem with the OPO equipment.
Both platforms are now category B I believe so it shouldn't make that much of a difference anymore.
(Edited to correct platform category error)
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Post by t697 on Jul 24, 2014 19:20:36 GMT
The S stock systems give OPO images for both platforms 2 and 3 in the departure end cab. The S stock CSDE beacons are physically on platform 2 but enable the doors both sides. You don't have to open the doors both sides though. So the technical facilities are all provided. There is (or was last time I looked) a notice there for all to read explaining to Ops of all the other stocks why they should only open one side. Don't rush off to check, there's a track renewal closure on as I write..
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 24, 2014 22:53:28 GMT
Drivers do open both sides to let pax cross from plt 1 to 4 or vice versa in the event of a defective train etc, if the next departure means them having a long walk around then this does help expedite things.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 24, 2014 22:59:01 GMT
At Cockfosters it has to do if assisted dispatch is required. As Platform 3 is a Category A the driver can dispatch themselves if there is a problem with the OPO equipment. Platform 2 used to be a Category B which required staff assistance if there was a problem with the OPO equipment. Both platforms are now category A I believe so it shouldn't make that much of a difference anymore. Are you sure you have the definitions of category A and B the correct way around?
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 24, 2014 23:01:56 GMT
At Cockfosters it has to do if assisted dispatch is required. As Platform 3 is a Category A the driver can dispatch themselves if there is a problem with the OPO equipment. Platform 2 used to be a Category B which required staff assistance if there was a problem with the OPO equipment. Both platforms are now category A I believe so it shouldn't make that much of a difference anymore. Are you sure you have the definitions of category A and B the correct way around? Plt 2 is cat A plt 3 is B
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 25, 2014 14:33:30 GMT
At Cockfosters it has to do if assisted dispatch is required. As Platform 3 is a Category A the driver can dispatch themselves if there is a problem with the OPO equipment. Platform 2 used to be a Category B which required staff assistance if there was a problem with the OPO equipment. Both platforms are now category A I believe so it shouldn't make that much of a difference anymore. Are you sure you have the definitions of category A and B the correct way around? Plt 2 is cat A plt 3 is B I actually meant v52gc's use of "Category A the driver can dispatch themselves . . . Category B which required staff assistance . . . "
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 26, 2014 11:54:18 GMT
Yes you are correct.
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Post by v52gc on Jul 30, 2014 7:27:48 GMT
At Cockfosters it has to do if assisted dispatch is required. As Platform 3 is a Category A the driver can dispatch themselves if there is a problem with the OPO equipment. Platform 2 used to be a Category B which required staff assistance if there was a problem with the OPO equipment. Both platforms are now category A I believe so it shouldn't make that much of a difference anymore. Are you sure you have the definitions of category A and B the correct way around? *Doh* should have spotted that one before posting! I blame it on being on a long break from work at the time! I've edited the original post now.
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Post by rummer on Jul 30, 2014 15:53:54 GMT
Platform 2 is Cat B and Platform 3 is Cat A
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