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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 17:28:16 GMT
Has anyone been on a S7 Stock train to Richmond or Ealing Broadway? I just wonder if any of the station platforms (West Kensington to Richmond / Ealing Broadway) are affected by SDO. I know Gunnersbury (westbound) is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 17:36:25 GMT
I know Gunnersbury (westbound) is one of them. Does that mean Gunnersbury is also out as an easily usable potential reversing location? I know it was never a regular move, but would be good to know?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:02:35 GMT
Hmmm, possibly as there is some reversing track to the east of the station.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 14, 2014 19:18:01 GMT
Currently: Ealing Common both Acton Town EB West Kensington EB
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:27:00 GMT
OK thanks. Any idea which doors are affected?
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Post by t697 on Jul 14, 2014 21:18:04 GMT
West Ken 2 EB - 2 rear doorways Gunnersbury 1 WB - 1 front doorway Acton Town 4 EB - 1 rear doorway Ealing Common 1 WB - 2 front doorways (may be reduced to 1 doorway after platform rework) Ealing Common 2 EB - 2 rear doorways Ealing Broadway platform 7 - 1 doorway furthest from the buffers There are also multiple S7 door cut outs for the rare use of platforms 2 & 3 at Acton Town and Hammersmith - the regular Piccadilly line platforms.
And yes, there is a signalled west to east reverse facility at Gunnersbury.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 22:01:43 GMT
OK cool, thanks a lot. However there is no 'platform 7' at Acton Town. Did you mean platform 4 - carriage 7 - 1 rear doorway?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 22:02:33 GMT
It's kinda interesting how there is no SDO at westbound platform 1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 22:17:22 GMT
OK cool, thanks a lot. However there is no 'platform 7' at Acton Town. Did you mean platform 4 - carriage 7 - 1 rear doorway? ? The platform 7 is at Ealing Broadway
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 22:42:59 GMT
Oh yeah sorry, I didn't read it properly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 23:10:12 GMT
Easily done
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Post by Ben on Jul 15, 2014 15:21:30 GMT
Presunmably these are all temporary based on platform furnature, as the platforms are physically long enoung?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 15, 2014 16:47:29 GMT
Presumably these are all temporary based on platform furniture, as the platforms are physically long enough? I can't see it ever being resolved at Ealing Common other than reduced WB as mentioned by t697. West Kensington is also a long term problem, possibly the moving of the west-end crossover may resolve it. Ealing Broadway pfm.7 recently had the monitors moved to accommodate an additional door but this isn't enough for the very last door. Acton Town and Gunnersbury maybe resolved when the platform monitors are removed.
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Post by t697 on Jul 15, 2014 18:57:14 GMT
Yes, Ealing Common is constrained by the bridge hole at one end and the turnouts to Ealing Common depot at the other end. West Ken EB similarly by the bridge hole at one end and the turnout to Lillie Bridge depot at the other end. Re-configuring the west end crossover doesn't help this. However on both these on the EB there may be scope to move the stopping position about one doorway east if and when ATC signalling is done and we don't need to sight visible signals from the cab. So it might reduce to one door cut out. Places like these almost certainly must have had to cut doors out back when 8 car R stock trains ran I guess? It was probably a lot easier as the platforms weren't populated with OPO monitors and the signal sighting rules probably weren't as now. Perhaps that last wasn't a good thing!
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Post by roythebus on Jul 16, 2014 8:15:45 GMT
IIRC we did not need to use end door cut-outs on 8 car trains in many locations at all; mostly in central area stations. It's a long time since I worked them so can't really remember.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:49:54 GMT
Is Acton Town WB also subject to SDO? I noticed a sign tape up facing drivers that said the doors of the front car would not open. Unless I am mistaking something?
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Post by t697 on Jul 16, 2014 18:53:48 GMT
IIRC we did not need to use end door cut-outs on 8 car trains in many locations at all; mostly in central area stations. It's a long time since I worked them so can't really remember. I'm guessing some of the signal sighting involved stopping right at the signal and sighting the 'pig's ear' through the cab side window
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Post by t697 on Jul 16, 2014 18:56:01 GMT
Is Acton Town WB also subject to SDO? I noticed a sign tape up facing drivers that said the doors of the front car would not open. Unless I am mistaking something? I'm fairly sure that's a reminder to T/Ops to tell the passengers it's currently two doorways cut out at Ealing Common WB, not the one that the CIS (DVA etc) tells you about, programmed ready for when the platform is finished....,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 0:26:08 GMT
IIRC we did not need to use end door cut-outs on 8 car trains in many locations at all; mostly in central area stations. It's a long time since I worked them so can't really remember. I'm guessing some of the signal sighting involved stopping right at the signal and sighting the 'pig's ear' through the cab side window The pigs ears if fitted are not sighted as there is no adjustment what so ever in the signal head.
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Post by roythebus on Jul 17, 2014 6:57:49 GMT
I'm guessing some of the signal sighting involved stopping right at the signal and sighting the 'pig's ear' through the cab side window The pigs ears if fitted are not sighted as there is no adjustment what so ever in the signal head. No, the motorman stopped on the 8 car mark, simples. If he had a 6-car, he stopped on the 6 car mark. some places the front doors would have to be cut out by the motorman.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:35:54 GMT
The pigs ears were originally designed for when steam trains where in operation so the loco could pull right upto the signal and still see what aspect is showing. On newer signal heads the pigs ear has been omitted as there is no longer a requirement for them
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Post by roythebus on Jul 19, 2014 12:43:12 GMT
Ermm, maybe not as a steam loco's cab was about 40' from the front of the loco! If the front of the loco went past the signal which may be displaying a red aspect then it was treated as what we now call a SPAD.
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Post by Ben on Jul 19, 2014 19:27:36 GMT
From the COP story, the distance over the outermost double doors of an 8 car was 396'7¼"; over the innermost of the outer cars 348'6¼". How does this compare with the respective figures for S7s?
What would be interesting to know are the restrictions for F stock, as despite being shorter per carriage the door layout was the same as S stock.
Does anyone have a copy of the DL suppliment to appendix 11 to the rule book (or equivilant) from before uncoupling went out? Further, does anyone have the relevant document from before the F stock went to the Met? Would be *very* interested in seeing a scan of either!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 18:35:20 GMT
I was talking to a District line driver earlier and he said that there is 1 or 2 s7 formed services on the Richmond/Ealing Broadway a day and I might want to catch it if I can from Ravenscourt Park so could somebody please give me the exact timings when it gets into Ravenscourt Park. Thanks
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 21, 2014 19:16:04 GMT
0546 EB to Tower Hill 0949 WB to Ealing Broadway 1532 EB to Barking 1755 WB to Ealing Broadway
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Post by superteacher on Sept 21, 2014 20:07:39 GMT
IIRC we did not need to use end door cut-outs on 8 car trains in many locations at all; mostly in central area stations. It's a long time since I worked them so can't really remember. Must be down to the fact that the effective platform space is much shorter these days due to the provision of equipment at the platform ends.
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