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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 16:09:03 GMT
When a Central Line station is closed, does the 5MPH sign get pulled out?
Because I saw it once on a platform years ago but then recently, I went through Bond Street (Closed for Crossrail works) and there was no Station Closed 5MPH sign which I find quite strange.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 16:14:44 GMT
I'm a little surprised you didn't see any station closed signs for Bond Street on the Central - I could swear they were out when I last went through Bond Street on a Central line train when the Central line platforms were closed. Perhaps I was wrong, or perhaps someone forgot.
Someone might be able to tell you more, maybe the longstanding nature of Bond Street's closure meant they didn't bother or something, but they were definitely out at the closed stations during the strikes and the last time Mile End was closed they were out too. They are normally out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 16:29:47 GMT
Well... I might be blind (if you know what I mean). It could of been there or it wasn't put out. But anyway, are the 1992TS programmed to travel through closed stations at 5MPH?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 16:40:50 GMT
 I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm sure someone will put one of us right, but the signs are usually there in my experience. They are, admittedly, easily missed in the dark, but there's every possibility they weren't out when you went through. Auto will take a train through one closed station, although I'm pretty sure it doesn't go through at 5 mph - I could very easily be wrong about that, but it's probably more like 16 kph, someone will be able to tell you. Auto can't handle two closed stations in a row, though, as the information that the next station is closed is communicated to the train at the preceding stop. If it doesn't stop, it doesn't get the message. So if St. Paul's and Chancery Lane are closed, in Auto the train would non-stop St. Paul's and then stop at Chancery Lane, because it wouldn't be able to stop at St. Paul's and get the information that Chancery Lane is closed. In this instance it has to go through in Coded Manual. Normally this is indeed done at low speed, although during the first round of strikes, I was on a train that crawled through Wanstead and then positively rocketed through Redbridge at what must have been full-line speed. |
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 7, 2014 19:04:20 GMT
If station skip is in, A 92 stock train in ATO will enter the platform at 20kph and remain at that speed until it has passed the 8 car marker before it resumes line speed.
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 7, 2014 19:08:03 GMT
I have seen a photo where the 5mph has been covered with a vinyl showing 15kph
The Jubilee trains are certainly going through Bond Street fairly quickly at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 5:50:36 GMT
Where is the image?
Would like to see it please.
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 8, 2014 7:31:46 GMT
Where is the image? Would like to see it please. BowroadUK flickr page. Search for station closed board |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 9:08:59 GMT
I don't remember seeing the 5mph boards during the Bond Street closure, there were hoardings up on the platform and I think they might have been hidden behind them. Wood Lane set a "station skip" for trains in ATO, we cruise through at 20kph, the maximum speed for going through any closed platform.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 22:29:52 GMT
Where is the image? Would like to see it please. BowroadUK flickr page. Search for station closed board I tried to find it but it wasn't there. Could you please get the link instead? |
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Post by crusty54 on Sept 3, 2014 12:51:06 GMT
BowroadUK flickr page. Search for station closed board I tried to find it but it wasn't there. Could you please get the link instead? The link is too large for this forum. I have checked and the search works if you enter Station Closed Board in the search field and scan down the photos on the page. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 3, 2014 15:58:58 GMT
The foto wasn't actually on bowroaduk's site, it is Tom Page: link( TinyURL.com is extremely useful in these situations) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 15:32:41 GMT
I've already seen that image but thanks, anyway is it fake? it doesn't look real.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 4, 2014 16:31:00 GMT
It looks real to me - what makes you think it isn't?
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Post by Rich32 on Sept 4, 2014 17:01:45 GMT
It does have a 'doctored' look to it, even if the application of the sticker is genuine.
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Post by hobbayne on Sept 4, 2014 21:50:01 GMT
Does the 09 stock non stop stations at 30kph? It has been reported on here many times that on the 92's it is 20kph
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 10:59:39 GMT
It looks real to me - what makes you think it isn't? The actual station closed sign looks rather grubby and the 'fake' speed limit looks like it's had a Photoshop or some edit. The font used for the speed limit looks not that real and the colour of the sticker dosen't match the sign. |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 5, 2014 15:06:57 GMT
All of those things you describe also correspond with a nice new clean sticker being put on an existing sign. Seeing as that sign would have been installed back in the 60s (?) so inevitably would have become filthy, and standards such as what font is used on signs would probably have changed as well. Whilst it does look like Photoshop, it is very easily just a sticker
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Post by will on Sept 5, 2014 15:37:32 GMT
Also as the Victoria Line has had a new signalling system the speed that trains pass by a closed station may have changed resulting in the new speed limit.
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 5, 2014 15:52:53 GMT
Don't know about the authenticity of the sign or that particular speed limit, but that photo's a mock-up.
Two reasons: the mirror-image of the sign is reflected with amazingly clarity of definition on the covered board, which is too far away from the open sign to have the C reversed on that image-it would more likely be the D of closed at the start.
Second, there is a very slight blurring of definition on the borders of most things in the pic. Except for two-the speed limit board is very clear compared to things nearer & further away than it is from the camera.
And doesn't the actual train look very clear, especially if this train is actually passing through a closed station? Look at the regular pattern of lights underneath it, too, even at 5mph, surely that wouldn't be so clear and straight-lined if that train'd truly been in this shot.
My wife has pointed out a third reason-with overhead lighting, shouldn't the opened sign be casting a shadow onto the platform & just possibly the train should be, too, stationary or moving?
A mock-up it is, but it may have been mocked-up for a training exercise ie what is wrong in this photo(the 30 kph speed?).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 16:08:20 GMT
I've seen a station closed sign on the Vic line during the strikes back in April but can't remember what the speed limit was.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 5, 2014 20:31:56 GMT
There is a very slight blurring of definition on the borders of most things in the pic. Except for two-the speed limit board is very clear compared to things nearer & further away than it is from the camera. That's just a shallow depth of focus, which is exactly what you'd expect from a photograph with a fast shutter speed in a low light environment like a tube station. |
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 5, 2014 21:34:51 GMT
Fair do's, given your photographic experience!
But, why no shadow off the sign or the train? I see there's an apparent shadow where the platform meets the wall-is that from the black strip at the top of the wall where it meets the roof curve?
Because if that is a shadow of the black strip, surely the sign or train should give off a shadow, too?
Also wonder where the work is on-going on the platform, if this is not a composite? If the work which has caused the station closure was on the line itself, there surely wouldn't be a train going through it at all-Health & Safety?
I genuinely think this is a mock-up; and probably a training mock-up for(drivers?). Q-What's wrong with this picture A-speed limit shown through a closed station is too high.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 6, 2014 9:16:07 GMT
Looking at it again in detail, I'm still not seeing why this would be a fake.
The lighting is pretty much directly above the yellow line, so the train would only be casting a very small shadow on the platform - and you can see the shadows cast by the door footplates that extend out further from the body side.
The dark area at the foot of the wall could indeed be a shadow from the overhang above or it could be an artefact of how the platform surface is cleaned. The sign will be casting a shadow, but it is only going to be very slight - it will be thin and angled in to the wall as the light sources are above and to the right. The key though is that there are multiple light sources so the shadow from one is being blown out by the light from the others, and as they are linear sources anyway then one light is probably shining on both sides of the sign anyway.
The train looks to be stationary, which is why the lighting on it appears regular. Just because a station is closed doesn't mean that the line ahead is clear.
The reflection doesn't look to be too clear either - we're seeing a reflective plastic surface in strong lighting from an oblique angle, next time you're on a station look at one of those maps from this angle and you'll see clear reflections of other passengers standing nearby. The reflection looks exactly the right angle to me as well.
Indeed if there were works on the line then a train would not be going though the platform, but there are many more reasons than just that and works on the platform why a station may be closed. For example works on the other platform, lack of escalators/lifts from the platform, works elsewhere on the station, passenger action/incidents elsewhere on the station, staff shortages (e.g. strikes), dispatch equipment issues and no staff available to cover, works to safety systems, incidents outside the station (although this less likely at a large station with multiple entrances like KXSP), police request, etc, etc. It may even be that there are works to the platform behind the camera. The image title "Not for long now" might suggest the reason for the closure may have finished and the platform is about to be reopened.
The biggest clincher to me is that if I were doing the mock-up you suggest (and I do many similar ones for the quiz!) then I would change only the minimum necessary, which would only be the speed limit and its reflection, nothing else. I wouldn't change the angle of the reflection (why!?) or make it look so obviously newer than the background.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm sure someone will put one of us right, but the signs are usually there in my experience. They are, admittedly, easily missed in the dark, but there's every possibility they weren't out when you went through.
