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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 10:54:24 GMT
Me again;
Can someone expand FCDO for me please? (final/first Car Door Opening?) ta.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:11:15 GMT
You're not thinking of FDCO (Front-Door Cut Out) are you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:16:27 GMT
That's the kiddie - there is one other instance of the "wrong" acronym anywhere on here, and it isn't expanded!
Ta muchly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:43:04 GMT
Yes I - uh - think it may have been me! I've fixed it now, your post alerted me Well, there could, of course, be another instance, but your post alerted me to my own error I don't know how FCDO got into my head, probably I misread it once in a hurry and it kind of got ingrained in there! I don't know of any genuine FCDO, but FDCO and FDCO limit boards definitely were (perhaps still are) used on the Northern line and there it stands for Front-Door Cut Out. I didn't expand FCDO at the time because I'd written "Some trains have front door cut out. On the Northern FCDO (sic)..." I thought it would be obvious what it stood for and it would have been if I'd got the letters in the right order!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 12:49:33 GMT
... and you'd think that after 10+ years of collecting rail-related terminology I'd have worked the obvious out as well! If it's any consolation, a certain Infrastructure Controller's official glossary gives both PMTV and SMTV (primary and secondary means of vertical transportation) - it's easily done, it seems.
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Post by rapidtransitman on Jul 3, 2014 14:09:46 GMT
tutDoes 'Cut Out' mean that door is not opened, as part of SDO (selective door opening)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 14:31:59 GMT
I'm sure a Northern line T/Op could explain more, but yes, as explained partially in this thread, that's basically it. Nowadays the TBTC - even in PM - helps, as I understand it, to ensure an accurate stop. If the train has stopped accurately, this is displayed on the Train Operator's Display. More here. Back in the day, of course, the stopping boards were the primary guide - and they were just a guide, or so I'm told. Route knowledge and the boards were all you had to help you stop in the right place and the CSDE would make sure you had done so. (I don't know whether CSDE is still used post-TBTC, I would imagine it is). Both pre- and post-TBTC (I gather) if you miss the stopping mark and CSDE (and/or TBTC) does not let you open the doors, you can operate the End Door Cut-Out on the appropriate side. This cuts out the front doors and prevents them from opening, which means that all other doors can be safely opened, even if you've quite substantially missed the stopping mark - very handy, as you can imagine. Nice feature. At each platform there is a blue FDCO board, followed by another blue FDCO limit board. If you miss the perfect stopping mark just a bit, I imagine it's fine, obviously there's always some leeway. I couldn't tell you at which point the FDCO becomes necessary with respect to the first FDCO board, but it probably depends on the platform. Either way, should you completely overshoot the CSDE (or whatever the TBTC equivalent is if CSDE has been obsoleted), you'll probably need to use the end door cut-out switch. If you stop anywhere before the FDCO limit, you can use the end door cut-out and just open up as normal. If you pass the FDCO limit board, then obviously the other over-run procedures kick in - setting back or continuing to the next station. There's a nice picture and a little more info here in this quiz post. Edit: I've just read something which suggests that - these days at least - if you have passed the stopping mark and can still see the FDCO board, you do not need to use the end door cut-out, but can simply use the standard CSDE over-ride procedure and open up using the backwall door control panel (as explained in more detail here). If you pass the FDCO board, but have stopped before the FDCO limit board, then you use the end door cut-out switch. If you pass both, then the over-run procedures kick in. I gather that even when between the FDCO and FDCO limit boards and when using the end door cut-out switch, you still have to over-ride the CSDE and go through the whole procedure. At least, that's what I've heard.
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Post by melikepie on Jul 3, 2014 15:43:10 GMT
What is the difference between ATO and TBTC or is one a type of the other? I've also forgotten what TBTC stands for to keep on topic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 15:46:03 GMT
Transmission-based train control (just to give something back ...)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 15:50:39 GMT
What is the difference between ATO and TBTC or is one a type of the other? I've also forgotten what TBTC stands for to keep on topic Transmission Based Train Control The TBTC system employs wireless communication technology as a platform for information transmission, bidirectional communication between the train and wayside equipment. ATO controls the train [acceleration/brake].
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Post by domh245 on Jul 3, 2014 15:53:00 GMT
I suppose that you could compare the ATO to being an automatic driver, and the TBTC being the signalling safety system (so the modern version of colour light signals and trainstops)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 15:54:23 GMT
What is the difference between ATO and TBTC or is one a type of the other? Yup, essentially, TBTC is a species of ATO - it's a specific Automatic Train Operation system. Although the term "ATO" is itself quite specific. There are different extents of automation (more here) and I think ATO specifically refers to the automated driving of the train between stations. That's as opposed to ATP (Automatic Train Protection (where the automation oversees the driving of the train and makes sure it obeys and permanent speed restrictions, red signals/areas of 0 maximum safe speed, etc., but doesn't necessarily drive it itself, although ATP may oversee ATO or manual operation)), ATC (Automatic Train Control (where, apparently, all of the routing and everything seems to be automated)), DTO (Driverless Train Operation (DLR style, where only the doors are under human control in regular operation)), UTO (Unattended Train Operation (no people at all)) and probably a few more... Edit: Dom and julian have done well to point out that really the ATO is more the computerised driving of the train, while the TBTC itself is the signalling system, although obviously the ATO has to be specific to the TBTC and you can see how everything tends to just all get lumped into one handy acronym!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 3, 2014 17:04:15 GMT
Plenty of S Stock ones too:
ACEIC ......... Auto Coupler Emergency Isolating Cock ACM ............ Auxiliary Converter Module APS ............. Automatic Performance Switching BGV ............ Brake Gateway Valve BIC .............. Brake Isolation Cock CAN ............ Controlled Area Network CCTV ........... Closed Circuit Television CEAP ............ Cab External Access Panel CED ............ Cab Egress Device CIS .............. Customer Information System COP ............. Correct Operation Protection CSDE ............ Correct Side Door Enable DCV ............. Door Closed Visual DISI .............. Defective In Service Instructions EAD .............. External Access Device ECIC ............. Emergency Coupling Isolating Cock EDCU ........... Electronic Door Control Unit HVAC ........... Heating Ventilation & Air Conditioning HSCB ............. High Speed Circuit Breaker M .................. Motor car M1 ................ Motor 1 car M2 ................ Motor 2 car MCBs ............. Miniature Circuit Breakers MCM .............. Motor Converter Module MCS ............... Master Control Switch MS ................. Motor Shoegear car MLIC .............. Main Line Isolating Cock ODIL .............. Outside Door Indicator Light OPO ............... One Person Operated PA .................. Public Address PEA ................ Passenger Emergency Alarm PEAB .............. Passenger Emergency Alarm Brake PEAW ............. Passenger Emergency Alarm Wheelchair PTI ................. Platform Train interface RFID .............. Radio Frequency Identification PWM ............... Pulse Width Modulation RM ................. Restricted Manual SCD ................ Short Circuiting Device SDO ................ Selective Door Operation SED ................. Staff Egress Device SID .................. Signalling Interface Display TBC..................Traction Brake Controller TCMS .............. Train Control Management System TM ...................Tripcock Manual WSP ..................Wheel Slide Protection
(all to be learnt on first day!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 17:09:14 GMT
What's the difference between a 'Cab Egress Device' and a door?
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Post by domh245 on Jul 3, 2014 17:19:24 GMT
Try looking at a military publication - SMA! (so many acronyms)
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Post by causton on Jul 3, 2014 22:00:23 GMT
Why is PWB not PWM? (Not that I know what that means either way )
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Post by domh245 on Jul 3, 2014 22:34:26 GMT
That is confusing. I can't think of another PWM on the train, maybe permanent way maintainace. PWM anyway is essentially varying (modulating) the time (width) if an electrical current (pulse) which is used to vary the speed of things. Eg in a modern computer, the fans will be speed controlled by this method, lower pulse lower speed and vice versa. I'm not sure what it would be used for in the S stock, I doubt it is the motors, as I they are AC motors (requiring a proper ac waveform as opposed to DC pulses like the 92TS).
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 4, 2014 5:03:32 GMT
Why is PWB not PWM? (Not that I know what that means either way ) Apologies, that was my error! " Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) Encoder The braking reference signal is generated by the TBC and sent to a PWM encoder. These signals are encoded to determine the required level of brake effort. The PWM encoder unit contains 2 independent encoder modules, each module feeding separate PWM train lines, this allows for redundancy back up in the event of a failure of one encoder module. In the event of a failure of both encoder modules the encoder cut-out switch, located on the cab back wall switch panel, will need to be cut-out by the Train Operator to release the emergency brakes. Once operated only a default acceleration and deceleration rate is available. The encoder modules are protected by the Train control 1 and 2 MCB’s."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 12:06:01 GMT
I've got another one: SIGAS. Stop Identification Geographic Along ... ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:41:01 GMT
(bump)
Can anyone help me with this one please?
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