towerman
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Post by towerman on Jun 6, 2014 13:15:22 GMT
Don't know if tis is the right place for this but I have several queries about this which someone may be able to answer.
1.Is the Corby branch being electrified.
2.Is the MML getting new rolling stock or is it getting someone else's cast offs say the ECML Cl91s.
3.What's going to happen to the current DMUs on the MML Cl222s.
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Post by domh245 on Jun 6, 2014 17:40:57 GMT
Over on railUK, there are a number of topics about this, so I'd advise you check those out. Lots of people are in favour of sending the 91s to either the MML or the GEML, but one thing that's almost certain is that the 387s after the 700s arrive will be going over to the MML
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Post by roboverground on Jun 6, 2014 19:00:51 GMT
Word 'on the street' is that when class 700 operation commences the class 387 (29 units) will work to Corby under the wires and will be based at Bedford Cauldwell depot which by that time will have ceased to be the base for 319s and is not able to accept fixed 8 or 12 car length class 700 'over the pits' for maintenance
Worth bearing in mind these units (387) will be 110mph so little trouble 'fitting in' with fast line times.
Why the DfT decided on class 387 rather than 377/8 also a mystery
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 6, 2014 20:49:23 GMT
Word 'on the street' is that when class 700 operation commences the class 387 (29 units) will work to Corby under the wires and will be based at Bedford Cauldwell depot which by that time will have ceased to be the base for 319s and is not able to accept fixed 8 or 12 car length class 700 'over the pits' for maintenance Worth bearing in mind these units (387) will be 110mph so little trouble 'fitting in' with fast line times. Why the DfT decided on class 387 rather than 377/8 also a mystery What constitutes a different class these days is a mystery to me - why are the 379s not 377s? What is the essential difference between a 350 and a 360? It can't be ability to work in multiple: 455s and 456s can work together: so can 318s and 320s and, historically, classes 302/5/7/8, and all classes from 411 to 438. |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 6, 2014 20:58:55 GMT
350 = AC Only version of a 450
360 = Non-Gangwayed version of a 350 (although made before them)
377 = Mainly DC (with some bimodal)
387 [under construction] <originally 377/8> = 377 based on new bodyshell, rated for 110Mph
379 = AC only (and based on newer body shell - although the 377 /6s & /7s share the same bodyshell)
There are often subtle differences. One of the best ones are the 170s/171s. The 170 has the standard BSI coupler, the 171 has the dellner coupler. One of the other differences is that you won't see a 170 on the Southern Network
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Post by causton on Jun 6, 2014 22:03:49 GMT
377 = Mainly DC (with some bimodal) 378 [under construction] <originally 377/8> = 377 based on new bodyshell, rated for 110Mph 387 you mean  378s are the London Overground spec 377! |
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Post by Ben on Jun 6, 2014 22:14:27 GMT
There was a suggestion once that the cl222 would receive panto cars and become effectively bi-mode. Is this still likely to happen, even if they end up elsewhere?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 6, 2014 22:25:18 GMT
378 [under construction] <originally 377/8> = 377 based on new bodyshell, rated for 110Mph No, that's a 387. A 378 is the London Overground version. You've also missed out classes 357 and 375 from the Electrostar family (classes 357, 375-379 and 387). The difference between classes 375 and class 377 used to be that 375s had Tightlock couplers and 377 had Dellners (early 377s were converted 375s), but the 375s have Dellners now as well. Originally the number series didn't overlap ( Southerns were numbered in the 375/1 and 375/2 series (later renumbered as 377/1 and 377/2), South Eastern's units were classes 375/3 (3 car units), 375/6 and 375/7 series. However, most of the 3 car sets were transferred to Southern, and given new 3773xx numbers which overlapped the 3753xx numbers of those still on South Eastern. Further subclasses have since appeared: on South eastern class 375/8 and 375/9, and on Southern/FCC class 377/4, /5, /6 and /7 - note that both classes have overlapping numbers in subclasses /3, /6 and /7. So why 377/8 was not allowed I don't know. There are often subtle differences. One of the best ones are the 170s/171s. The 170 has the standard BSI coupler, the 171 has the dellner coupler. One of the other differences is that you won't see a 170 on the Southern Network Not to mention classes 168 and 172, again all part of the Turbostar family. |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 6, 2014 22:51:13 GMT
There are many variations between various modern MU classes, I was just answering the differences you raised, and a couple of others off the top of my head (and making a typo)
But out of all the classes, the 377/375s are probably the most difficult to see why there is a difference. I suppose that in the old days it may have been easier, but now its more interesting, without going into the /1s which are half connex style and half GoVia style.
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Post by melikepie on Jun 7, 2014 18:42:47 GMT
Will trains run a more regular service north of Corby to Melton?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 8:01:04 GMT
350 = AC Only version of a 450 The 350/1 are DV |
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Post by christopher125 on Jun 14, 2014 1:26:51 GMT
Will trains run a more regular service north of Corby to Melton? Not as a result of electrification, which will only reach Corby. Chris |
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378s are the London Overground spec 377!
