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Post by Chris M on Mar 31, 2014 15:50:57 GMT
What was up with the Central Line service last night?
I arrived at Euston shortly before 11pm and the status indicator board said the Central Line was running a good service. I got to Bank and arrived on the eastbound Central Line platform to a volume of people that suggested I hadn't just missed a train. Trains to Hainault via Newbury Park arrived after 3 and 13 minutes, then after 23 minutes a Loughton train arrived, finally 29 minutes after I arrived on the platform an Epping train finally arrived.
The TfL website is being decidedly unhelpful and not telling me anything about scheduled train frequencies, but a 29+ minute gap between Epping services is not a "good service" even on a Sunday evening and there was a similar gap in the Hainault service.
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Post by Tubeboy on Mar 31, 2014 17:00:40 GMT
at 1635 there was an 80 minute suspension due to a person under a train at Chancery Lane, then a person feeling unwell at 1800 hours on a train. Delays continued throughout the evening. At 2100, 10 trains were cancelled out of a booked 59.
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 31, 2014 17:00:40 GMT
There was a PUT at CHL about 17.00 but there were massive gaps in the service all evening. I stabled a train in West Ruislip depot about 21.30. The next EB train was at East Acton on the wesbound!!
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Post by superteacher on Mar 31, 2014 18:26:42 GMT
What was up with the Central Line service last night? I arrived at Euston shortly before 11pm and the status indicator board said the Central Line was running a good service. I got to Bank and arrived on the eastbound Central Line platform to a volume of people that suggested I hadn't just missed a train. Trains to Hainault via Newbury Park arrived after 3 and 13 minutes, then after 23 minutes a Loughton train arrived, finally 29 minutes after I arrived on the platform an Epping train finally arrived. The TfL website is being decidedly unhelpful and not telling me anything about scheduled train frequencies, but a 29+ minute gap between Epping services is not a "good service" even on a Sunday evening and there was a similar gap in the Hainault service. Disgraceful. Are you going to complain to TFL?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 31, 2014 19:55:34 GMT
Yes.
I understand that things such as people under trains will inevitably spell disaster for the service, sometimes for many hours after the incident is resolved. However this is no excuse for calling the disrupted service "good".
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 31, 2014 20:05:18 GMT
If you'd arrived and been told Minor Delays I suspect you wouldn't have been annoyed as much, particularly with a PUT as in this case.
Sometimes I feel that the political pressure TfL may feel to run a "Good Service" is incorrectly balanced against their obligation to provide accurate information to their fare payers.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 31, 2014 20:42:12 GMT
"Minor delays" I'd have quibbled with but not put in a formal complaint. "Severe delays" (which is what I experienced) and I'd have got the bus from Walthamstow.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 31, 2014 21:55:18 GMT
Yes. I understand that things such as people under trains will inevitably spell disaster for the service, sometimes for many hours after the incident is resolved. However this is no excuse for calling the disrupted service "good". I actually find it quite embarrassing when despite the obvious delays, the PA system is still bleating on about a good service. I'd be quite interested to know the thought process that went on to call the service you experienced "good." Surely the line controller would know the state of the service?
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Post by hollywood on Apr 1, 2014 3:28:31 GMT
As the current WTTs are on the new TFL website we can see exactly what a Good Service would have been at that hour:
23.04 Hainault 23.09 Epping 23.14 Woodford via Hainault 23.19 Epping 23.24 Hainault 23.29 Epping 23.34 Hainault 23.39 Loughton 23.44 Epping 23.50 Hainault
Obviously the timetable was shredded due to the two customer issues. But as this was the final hour of service for the night, the gaps experienced could well have come from only a single cancellation (corresponding to either the 23.19 or 23.29 Epping trains) followed by just a bit of late running.
We all agree consecutive gaps of double the timetabled interval is not Good Service. But could it just be that at such late hour the controller is primarily concerned with insuring the running of the last trains on each route as published? Knowing that those trains would run would there be any point in advertising delays?
(I know this is a well-worn question; I hope you don't mind indulging an infrequent visitor who, thanks to this site and others like it, finds it easier to use public transport in London, and trains between UK cities, than in his own USA hometown)
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Post by Ben on Apr 1, 2014 8:24:00 GMT
Just as an aside, are the false 'good service' judgements used as facts when compiling the running statistics at the end of each period and year?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 10:50:58 GMT
I actually find it quite embarrassing when despite the obvious delays, the PA system is still bleating on about a good service. I'd be quite interested to know the thought process that went on to call the service you experienced "good." Surely the line controller would know the state of the service? I suppose that would require the Station Super to manually override the automatic "good service" announcements, make up their own "not so good service" announcements and then switch them back once "good service" had resumed. While I was waiting at Hainault on Sunday the station PA was still saying that service had been suspended between Liverpool Street and Holborn about half an hour after we were back up and running.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 12:19:06 GMT
I don't believe "A good service on all London Underground lines" is actually referring to the trains. It must be something else as I have often seen severe delays or two full line suspensions that apparently are no reason to stop the automated "Good Service" message.
After a nuclear third world war when human existence is wiped out and cockroaches roam the earth you can rest assured that in the remains of the LU network the tannoy will still announce "Good service" at regular intervals.
In all seriousness, it would be nice if one day the Good Service announcements system would be connected to the system that knows the actual state of the service. My personal smartphone has better insight into the state of the service than TfL's own tannoy. Apart from it being poor customer service it also makes you wonder about safety if something serious has happened.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 1, 2014 20:07:07 GMT
We all agree consecutive gaps of double the timetabled interval is not Good Service. But could it just be that at such late hour the controller is primarily concerned with insuring the running of the last trains on each route as published? Knowing that those trains would run would there be any point in advertising delays? I'm not complaining about the service being offered, I'm complaining about describing it as good. If the customer will experience significant delays when they turn up to travel, then delays should be advertised even if later trains will run as scheduled. At that time of night it will mean people missing last buses (which run earlier than the last tube in/to Essex) and other connections.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 19:23:17 GMT
What was up with the Central Line service last night? I arrived at Euston shortly before 11pm and the status indicator board said the Central Line was running a good service. I got to Bank and arrived on the eastbound Central Line platform to a volume of people that suggested I hadn't just missed a train. Trains to Hainault via Newbury Park arrived after 3 and 13 minutes, then after 23 minutes a Loughton train arrived, finally 29 minutes after I arrived on the platform an Epping train finally arrived. The TfL website is being decidedly unhelpful and not telling me anything about scheduled train frequencies, but a 29+ minute gap between Epping services is not a "good service" even on a Sunday evening and there was a similar gap in the Hainault service. If you used PAYG were you overcharged- as there are maximum journey times. If you used a travelcard then never mind
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 19:25:22 GMT
Just as an aside, are the false 'good service' judgements used as facts when compiling the running statistics at the end of each period and year? Probably- you could make an FOI request to get a definite answer:) Still it's yet another reason to slightly distrust TfL!
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Post by Chris M on Apr 3, 2014 22:52:03 GMT
If you used PAYG were you overcharged- as there are maximum journey times. If you used a travelcard then never mind I was using PAYG Oyster, but I wasn't overcharged. You get 145 minutes for a 6-zone journey on a Sunday. Euston-Debden should take about 45-55 minutes (depending on how your touch in time relates to train times, how quick you walk, etc), but my journey took about 80 minutes. TfL have now replied to my complaint, offering me a refund for the journey but not really addressing the issue that the information was incorrect centrally rather than locally.
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Post by Ben on Apr 4, 2014 11:55:14 GMT
Problem: ignore. Solution: ignore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:52:56 GMT
If you used PAYG were you overcharged- as there are maximum journey times. If you used a travelcard then never mind I was using PAYG Oyster, but I wasn't overcharged. You get 145 minutes for a 6-zone journey on a Sunday. Euston-Debden should take about 45-55 minutes (depending on how your touch in time relates to train times, how quick you walk, etc), but my journey took about 80 minutes. TfL have now replied to my complaint, offering me a refund for the journey but not really addressing the issue that the information was incorrect centrally rather than locally. Maybe you could ask them to take your complaint to the next stage? TfL's responses not addressing the main issue isn't anything unusual in my experience!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:53:31 GMT
Problem: ignor. Solution: ignor. What do you mean? Ignore?
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