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Post by Chris M on Feb 5, 2014 0:13:26 GMT
Assuming one is just a passenger, with no connections to TfL in any other way, who supports the actions of the striking tube staff. How can they best show their support while still getting to work, etc? * Travelling by the tube routes that are open, to put pressure on the system and show LU/TfL how dependent they are on the good will of the staff? * Avoid the tube completely so that TfL don't get the revenue? * Something else?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 8:49:12 GMT
Isn't that missing the point of a strike: If one supports it, surely one would not cross the picket line, (let's assume all stations are actually picketed instead of just Edgeware Road and anywhere a TV crew is in evidence.) Isn't using an alternate means of transport "get around" the protest "cheating" so the conclusion is if one supports the strike, one would simply stay at home for the day and/or man the ramparts with the strikers.
Conversely, how would a passenger show they don't support the action...? * Go and have a debate with a picket (if you can find one.) * Cross the picket line and use whatever service is available. * Whine about it with the Internet/TV phone in/newspaper/MP.
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 5, 2014 9:25:46 GMT
The picket line is not there to stop the general public from going about their lawful business. They are there to (try to) stop those who would do the duties of those on strike. I am now retired but during my career I was for many years a trade union rep, and during that time on a couple of occasions I did cross a picket line. On one such occasion my own union had balloted not to strike but another union had balloted to strike. My union instructed its members to work as normal, the other union had a picket (a couple of reps at the entrance to the workplace). When I arrived at the workplace I merely had to assure those reps that I would not do work that would be done by those on strike. If I was still working and the strike would have affected me I would merely take the day off.
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Post by trt on Feb 5, 2014 13:05:59 GMT
Today, I've travelled by an alternative route, which is costing me more. Tomorrow, when my colleagues are also on an unrelated strike, I've booked a day of annual leave. To show my support for tube workers, I've been busy whining about it on bulletin boards and putting right any of my colleagues who moan about "bloody strikes - should be banned"... "they get paid enough already"... in other words, informing the ignorant.
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Post by sawb on Feb 5, 2014 16:12:28 GMT
I've seen some howlers when it comes to misinformed people regarding who is on strike or what the strike is over. Someone though it was Unite on strike and someone else linked the dispute with driverless trains!
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Post by freddy on Feb 7, 2014 11:36:06 GMT
Maybe this is a simplistic view but I don't see how severely inconveniencing the travelling public will save ticket offices.
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Post by phillw48 on Feb 7, 2014 16:53:41 GMT
I get the impression that more of the public are behind the strikers than against.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 17:16:50 GMT
I have sent the following e-mail to my (Tory) GLA member:
Dear Mr Malthouse
Automation of urban rail transport As you know, the Docklands Light Railway is automated whilst the Tube is manned. Are there safety issues with deep level tubes, which do not apply to overhead systems, that require manning? (I doubt it: wasn’t the Victoria line built for automatic operation all those years ago?) What proposals for automating the Tube system do you expect to see in the next Conservative Mayoral candidate’s manifesto? yours faithfully
I wrote this because I think the Mayor has a duty to explain to us why he has chosen this particular method of saving money. I am sure that Crow would also call a strike if the Tube (or even only the Victoria line) drivers were disposed of but I doubt it would have the support the present action appears to have.
Safety concerns? How many people refuse to use the DLR because the trains have no drivers? Yes, they have conductors, but I don't suppose they're paid half of what drivers earn. Perhaps I should also have asked Malthouse how much the fares would have to go up by in order to achieve the result BoJo wants, by natural wastage. Or even what needs to be done to make the Tube a privatizable asset. At the very least I see no harm in bombarding his GLC cronies with questions of this sort.
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Post by messiah on Feb 7, 2014 18:18:08 GMT
I get the impression that more of the public are behind the strikers than against. I haven't found anyone that I have talked to who feels a strike is justified, regardless of the underlying support or not regarding the underlying issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 18:31:35 GMT
I get the impression that more of the public are behind the strikers than against. I haven't found anyone that I have talked to who feels a strike is justified, regardless of the underlying support or not regarding the underlying issues. I suspect that there are very few people outside the industry in question who feel competent to judge the merits of a union's case, or how it's pursuing it, in any case of industrial action. We default to whether we think that striking is ever justified - and that default is probably shaped by our parents as much as anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 22:56:45 GMT
I get the impression that more of the public are behind the strikers than against. I haven't found anyone that I have talked to who feels a strike is justified, regardless of the underlying support or not regarding the underlying issues. On the contrary, four passengers mentioned the strike to me today while I was at work, they were well informed and behind us 100%.
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