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Post by roboverground on Feb 4, 2014 12:50:32 GMT
Keep up at the back I hear you say but noticed an article in the 'open access' (letters page) of Rail magazine (issue 733 October 16-29 2013)
that relates to the period of time when 1972 and 1938 stock operated with British Rail 501 stock on the shared section north of Queens Park.
The author (former Bakerloo Guard) states that class 501 units carried an emergency coupler capable of assisting stalled tube trains.
Having 'worked over' the 'DC' lines myself, that's the first I have heard of this and I find it curious that the difference in 'buffing height' of the BR stock and tube stock makes this not possible and perhaps the author is getting mixed up with tube assistance couplers used to couple A-A end etc.
Anyone have more on this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 14:43:32 GMT
I definitely recall reading/seeing something about a means of attaching BR mu to LT tube stock in an emergency, but don't remember details. From memory it fitted in slots in the drivers cab floor (of the tube stock) at one end, and attached to the BR unit's draw hook at the other, and was 'pull' (gingerley!) only. Also it may only have been only for 1938 stock.
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Post by motorman on Feb 4, 2014 17:08:37 GMT
I seem to recall adaptor couplings being provided on A60 Stock should a Piccadilly Line Train need assistance between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. Was that correct? Are there any such facilities today with S Stock? What is the current position on the DC Lines and also between Gunnersbury and Richmond? Presumably Acton Town - Ealing Common also applies.
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Post by Ben on Feb 5, 2014 6:57:40 GMT
A coupling bar was provided for Bakerloo stock working over the DC lines to be assisted by mainline stock. It was emphasised that it was *not* to be used the other way around!!
Appendix 11 to the rule book maybe?
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Post by 1018509 on Feb 5, 2014 19:59:07 GMT
I seem to recall adaptor couplings being provided on A60 Stock should a Piccadilly Line Train need assistance between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. Was that correct? Are there any such facilities today with S Stock? What is the current position on the DC Lines and also between Gunnersbury and Richmond? Presumably Acton Town - Ealing Common also applies. I don't recall anything on A60 stock to assist failed 1962 stock. When you consider that recent stocks i.e. 1938 up to 1983 and possibly beyond are made up of two or more units the need for a following train to assist is unlikely as the two units can be uncoupled to form two trains as necessary. <Ducks behind sofa to avoid large fusillade of brickbats>  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 20:11:13 GMT
Maybe I should have a go at recreating this at Acton Depot Weekend, on Croxley WRD!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 5, 2014 22:29:13 GMT
I don't recall anything on A60 stock to assist failed 1962 stock. That would be an unlikely scenario - the only place they might get together is round the back at Ruislip depot! During the entire lifetime of the A60 stock the Piccadilly has only operated Standard, 1938, 1959 and 1973 stock (apart from a single 3-car 1962 stock unit for the Aldwych shuttle) |
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Post by 1018509 on Feb 5, 2014 23:12:34 GMT
Whilst I accept I got the stock wrong I believe that the Piccadilly line had at least three units of 1962 stock as three car units because I remember the three "spare" 9XXX cars being stored on 46W road (I think) at Ruislip depot when I started there in 1971.
Don't forget the Piccadilly line had (2?) units of 1956 stock too.
Indeed for a few months the Piccadilly line was operating 1938, 1956, 1959, 1962 and 1973 stock at the same time in the early/mid 70's |
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Post by metman on Feb 5, 2014 23:18:38 GMT
The pic had 3 trains of 1956 ts before they transferred to the northern.
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Post by 1018509 on Feb 5, 2014 23:24:33 GMT
The pic had 3 trains of 1956 ts before they transferred to the northern. Was that three trains as in 6 units? |
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 6, 2014 0:05:10 GMT
I don't recall anything on A60 stock to assist failed 1962 stock. That would be an unlikely scenario - the only place they might get together is round the back at Ruislip depot! During the entire lifetime of the A60 stock the Piccadilly has only operated Standard, 1938, 1959 and 1973 stock (apart from a single 3-car 1962 stock unit for the Aldwych shuttle) Don't forget that the A stock was tested on the Central Line and was a feature of Central Line WTTs for a good number of issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 1:21:44 GMT
The pic had 3 trains of 1956 ts before they transferred to the northern. Was that three trains as in 6 units? Yes three complete 7-car trains so 6 units in all. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 6, 2014 7:52:05 GMT
The breakdown crew at Neasden might have had a coupling bar for tube/surface situations.
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Post by roythebus on Feb 7, 2014 20:37:36 GMT
It's a long time back to remember, but the Bakerloo stock had emergency coupling bars under the long seats. As someone says above, it fitted in a hatch in the cab floor of the 38 stock and was secured by wooden wedges whacked in with a big hammer, also kept under the long seat!
To my knowledge A stock never had emergency adaptors to couple to tube stock.
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