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Post by jacko1 on Apr 27, 2014 16:10:25 GMT
yes,can comfirm that berks was accessed only from the n.woolwich line(in my memory). when i was passed out for driving at stratford in 1980,a reguler turn that i done was on the stratford market turn,with a 08 shunt loco.we would trip down tank wagons to berks. there definitely WAS a connection from the LTSR to that chemical works. I remember the cable run used to go up and over where the track was. are you sure you are not getting mixed up with the may and baker chemical works at dagenham east?. you could see the arched cable run that would have gone over the conection,and the works gate.the sidings at berks chemicals at west ham,was directly below the district/lts line,with the buffer stops right up against the bridge/embankment of the main line.HOWEVER,there were sidings and a long gone conection off the up lts line,through sidings,to the woolwich line(woolwich side),called,i seem to remember,abbey sidings. |
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Post by pitdiver on Apr 27, 2014 16:14:38 GMT
I think we are getting into the area of what was the longest bus journey you could make in London without changing buses ie The Longest Route. I have never been able to get a definitive answer and that's after working at the LT Museum for six years. All the Bus experts would come up with different answers. I know this is primarily a LUL forum but does anybody know the answer.
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 27, 2014 16:17:17 GMT
Used to love the long bus journeys. 5 from Becontree Heath to Waterloo, god knows how long some of those journeys took! In simiar vein, I remember doing Victoria-Abridge on route 10 where 1 bus per hour I think did the whole route. On Sundays didn't the 9 do Mortlake to Barking? Before the 1958 bus strike the 96 used to do Putney to Redbridge. It's fascinating looking at the pre war bus routes for the distances they travelled, there may have been less traffic, but not power steering must have been a chore. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 27, 2014 16:34:54 GMT
I think we are getting into the area of what was the longest bus journey you could make in London without changing buses ie The Longest Route. I have never been able to get a definitive answer and that's after working at the LT Museum for six years. All the Bus experts would come up with different answers. I know this is primarily a LUL forum but does anybody know the answer. I did read years ago that at one time it was the 65 from Ealing Broadway to Leatherhead. One I would offer up was in the '60s the 133 did run from South Croydon to Hendon Central Stn on a Sunday. |
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 27, 2014 17:17:55 GMT
I think I may have mentioned it before but the Greenline RCL's on the last bus from Brentwood certainly used to move, I followed one home one night, my car was doing 60 mph and he was still pulling away from me. Were the RCL's the fastest London buses?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 27, 2014 18:01:33 GMT
I think we are getting into the area of what was the longest bus journey you could make in London without changing buses ie The Longest Route. I have never been able to get a definitive answer and that's after working at the LT Museum for six years. All the Bus experts would come up with different answers. I know this is primarily a LUL forum but does anybody know the answer. Are we excluding Green Line services for this purpose? |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 27, 2014 18:48:11 GMT
In simiar vein, I remember doing Victoria-Abridge on route 10 where 1 bus per hour I think did the whole route. On Sundays didn't the 9 do Mortlake to Barking? Before the 1958 bus strike the 96 used to do Putney to Redbridge. It's fascinating looking at the pre war bus routes for the distances they travelled, there may have been less traffic, but not power steering must have been a chore. I believe the 9 did Mortlake to Becontree Heath on a Sunday. There is a pic somewhere of a 9 at Becontree Heath displaying Mortlake Garage. The estate was under construction in the background, so must have been mid 60's. |
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Post by castlebar on Apr 27, 2014 18:48:31 GMT
The 93 used to do a Summer Sunday extension to Dorking Bus Station (from Putney)
The 65 used to run from Argyle Road, Ealing to Leatherhead. This was an extra mile north of Ealing Bsroadway
The 12 with extensions ran from South Croydon to Harlesden, but there were few, if any, through journeys
The 710 ran Amersham to Crawley
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 27, 2014 20:42:48 GMT
On Sundays didn't the 9 do Mortlake to Barking? I believe the 9 did Mortlake to Becontree Heath on a Sunday. . In the 1930s it went even further, to Romford or Rainham www.londonbuses.co.uk/routes/009.html Others not mentioned yet - many of these were Sunday extensions of shorter weekday routes - presumably taking advantage of the lighter traffic and maybe allowing some garages/routes not to run. 14 Hornsey to Hampton Court (Summer Sunday extension - last ran in 1965) 15 Richmond to East Ham (I recall this one from the late 1970s) 29 and 52 both Victoria to Borehamwood (until 1968) - but by very different routes! www.londonbuses.co.uk/routes/029.html www.londonbuses.co.uk/routes/052.html35 Clapham to Chingford 37 Peckham to Hounslow 40 Wanstead to Norwood Junction 49 Harlesden to Crystal palace 57a Hampstead Heath and South Croydon 59 West Hampstead to Chipstead 73 Stoke Newington - Hampton Court 88 Acton Green to Belmont (Sutton) via Oxford Circus www.londonbuses.co.uk/routes/088.html96 Redbridge and Putney 131 Clapham to Hersham and, at different times, Aldwych to Molesey www.londonbuses.co.uk/routes/131.html153 West Hampstead to Plumstead 159 West Hampstead to South Croydon |
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Post by roythebus on Apr 28, 2014 7:09:42 GMT
the fastest London bus I've ever driven was DM2333, Iveco engine. I operated that for a few year at Nostalgiabus in Mitcham. We had the fuel pump set to Iveco spec. It done 39mph UP Reigate Hill, and that was in 3rd gear. On another occasion, going empty to Crawley one night for rail replacement, it got well over 70 on the M23 and ran out of tacho to record the actual speed!
The 220 Park Royal-West Croydon was quite a long route too.
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Post by roythebus on Apr 28, 2014 7:12:17 GMT
there definitely WAS a connection from the LTSR to that chemical works. I remember the cable run used to go up and over where the track was. are you sure you are not getting mixed up with the may and baker chemical works at dagenham east?. you could see the arched cable run that would have gone over the conection,and the works gate.the sidings at berks chemicals at west ham,was directly below the district/lts line,with the buffer stops right up against the bridge/embankment of the main line.HOWEVER,there were sidings and a long gone conection off the up lts line,through sidings,to the woolwich line(woolwich side),called,i seem to remember,abbey sidings. Yes, I remember the May and Baker connection, but I insist there was another connection across the DR in the West Ham area. the chemical works was on the north side of the line. Maybe one of our signalling friends on here can come up with the signalling diagram for the area. I don't think I have my DR appendix any more so I could look it up. |
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Post by pitdiver on Apr 29, 2014 7:00:39 GMT
Thanks everybody for your input. I would like to suggest the following as contenders
12 North Finchley to Crtal palace
279 Waltham Abbey to Smitfield
140 Burnt Oak to Heathrow Central
It seems now that the longest journey is the x26 Heathrow to Croydon
Further to by earlier point about getting different answers to my questions. One of the points raised was do you mean length of journey or the distance between the two termini.
Going on the first point I seem to remember there was a route some on the east side of London that was quite long in length of the route but relatively short between the two termini. Apparently the route would wander around a lot.
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Post by melikepie on Apr 29, 2014 7:25:17 GMT
If you want a long bus route in London, although you can't use oyster on it, try 724 Harlow to Heathrow
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Post by peterc on Apr 29, 2014 14:12:16 GMT
A shadow of its former self. I travelled on the very first journey from Romford to High Wycombe. I had hoped to be the first on the bus but despite getting to Romford Station half an hour early (somewhere around 5am I think) there were a couple of lads there already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 15:42:09 GMT
On Summer Sundays in 1939, route 112 ran from Edmonton (Park Road) to Hampton Court.
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Post by pitdiver on Apr 29, 2014 19:18:16 GMT
On Summer Sundays in 1939, route 112 ran from Edmonton (Park Road) to Hampton Court. My father was at one time a conductor on the 112 route. I don't suppose you have a copy of the 1939 summer sunday timetable or a schedule of some sort. As I would love to see details of that journey. |
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Post by roythebus on Apr 30, 2014 18:10:43 GMT
The 12 used to be Harleden to Sarf Croydon at one time; surely the 45 used to be a very long route but not much between termini. South Kensington-Hampstead Heath via Clapham junction, Camberwell, Elephant, Kings Cross to Ampsted Eaf. A good trip on an RTW  . What I remember was the KM adverts on the Dalston RTWs; you could tell a no 11 a mile off on the Kings Road because of the KM advert on the front! |
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 30, 2014 18:23:35 GMT
The 12 used to be Harleden to Sarf Croydon at one time; surely the 45 used to be a very long route but not much between termini. South Kensington-Hampstead Heath via Clapham junction, Camberwell, Elephant, Kings Cross to Ampsted Eaf. A good trip on an RTW . What I remember was the KM adverts on the Dalston RTWs; you could tell a no 11 a mile off on the Kings Road because of the KM advert on the front! I think you'll find the 12 never did a 'thru' journey, it was Harlesden to Dulwich 'Plough' and Oxford Circus to Elmers End/TC As much as I love a RTW, it must have been an ache of a job driving the 45 from Sth Ken to Hampstead Heath with no PAS |
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Post by ruislip on May 5, 2014 15:48:27 GMT
The 93 used to do a Summer Sunday extension to Dorking Bus Station (from Putney) The 65 used to run from Argyle Road, Ealing to Leatherhead. This was an extra mile north of Ealing Bsroadway The 12 with extensions ran from South Croydon to Harlesden, but there were few, if any, through journeys The 710 ran Amersham to Crawley And by the start of the London Country era, the 710 was reduced to a glorified bus service between Uxbridge and Amersham. |
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Post by roythebus on May 7, 2014 8:49:27 GMT
I managed to bash the 11 to Dalston garage on an RTW a few times.. from Shepherds Bush (Well Road) of course!
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Post by roythebus on Jul 1, 2014 8:26:20 GMT
There was mention on here somewhere of the chemical works and siding at West Ham, on the north side of the DR. Well, a similar thread cropped up on the RMweb site and a link to Harsig's site shows the siding to what I believe was the May & Baker chemical works. This was between West Ham and Upton Park and in my days on the DR was a couple of diamond crossings over the DR from the BR track.
The Harsig diagram from 1936 shows a direct facing connection from the "down slow" via a single slip and connections from the fast lines and a short siding between the fast and slow lines as well. A glimpse at Google maps show the cable run going up and over where the connection used to be, and a flat area where the chemical works was.
So my mind wasn't playing tricks after all!
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Post by revupminster on Jul 1, 2014 10:56:01 GMT
There was mention on here somewhere of the chemical works and siding at West Ham, on the north side of the DR. Well, a similar thread cropped up on the RMweb site and a link to Harsig's site shows the siding to what I believe was the May & Baker chemical works. This was between West Ham and Upton Park and in my days on the DR was a couple of diamond crossings over the DR from the BR track. The Harsig diagram from 1936 shows a direct facing connection from the "down slow" via a single slip and connections from the fast lines and a short siding between the fast and slow lines as well. A glimpse at Google maps show the cable run going up and over where the connection used to be, and a flat area where the chemical works was. So my mind wasn't playing tricks after all! May and Baker was to the west of West Ham the signalling to the east of West Ham would have led to carriage sheds (now a car dealership) north of Plaistow Bay. North of West Ham station were carriage sidings accessed from Plaistow. There is no sign of the connections to the locomotive depot where East London Rugby club is south of West Ham. There is no sign of the Bromley By Bow goods to the east of Bromley by Bow. The harsig map only includes District signalling. BR trains took precedence when crossing LT tracks until the 60's. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 1, 2014 13:51:17 GMT
There was mention on here somewhere of the chemical works and siding at West Ham, on the north side of the DR. Well, a similar thread cropped up on the RMweb site and a link to Harsig's site shows the siding to what I believe was the May & Baker chemical works. This was between West Ham and Upton Park and in my days on the DR was a couple of diamond crossings over the DR from the BR track. The Harsig diagram from 1936 shows a direct facing connection from the "down slow" via a single slip and connections from the fast lines and a short siding between the fast and slow lines as well. A glimpse at Google maps show the cable run going up and over where the connection used to be, and a flat area where the chemical works was. So my mind wasn't playing tricks after all! May & Baker chemical works were between Bromley and West Ham, north side of track. The shunting neck on the south side of the BR track between Upton Park and East Ham led to the coal sidings, beside Grangewood Street. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jul 1, 2014 17:12:35 GMT
There was mention on here somewhere of the chemical works and siding at West Ham, on the north side of the DR. Well, a similar thread cropped up on the RMweb site and a link to Harsig's site shows the siding to what I believe was the May & Baker chemical works. This was between West Ham and Upton Park and in my days on the DR was a couple of diamond crossings over the DR from the BR track. The Harsig diagram from 1936 shows a direct facing connection from the "down slow" via a single slip and connections from the fast lines and a short siding between the fast and slow lines as well. A glimpse at Google maps show the cable run going up and over where the connection used to be, and a flat area where the chemical works was. So my mind wasn't playing tricks after all! May & Baker chemical works were between Bromley and West Ham, north side of track. The shunting neck on the south side of the BR track between Upton Park and East Ham led to the coal sidings, beside Grangewood Street. The May and Baker site was in Dagenham almost opposite Dagenham East station, the entrance was at the foot of the station bridge on the north side. Rail access was across the District line between Dagenham East and Elm Park, the entrance was/is still visible from the line. At the moment a Superstore is being built on the site. |
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Post by domh245 on Jul 1, 2014 17:41:40 GMT
We have now of course seen the end of the C stock and almost certainly to whistlekiller's delite, the end of a discernable wimbleware!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 1, 2014 18:08:15 GMT
The May and Baker site was in Dagenham almost opposite Dagenham East station Indeed yes! Getting my names muddled up, Berk Spencer Acids at Bromley-West Ham |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 1, 2014 20:44:10 GMT
We have now of course seen the end of the C stock and almost certainly to whistlekiller's delite, the end of a discernable wimbleware! I wept profusely Dom..........  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 1, 2014 21:52:52 GMT
We have now of course seen the end of the C stock and almost certainly to whistlekiller's delite, the end of a discernable wimbleware! Still obviously two types for two services at Wimbledon, and will remain so for a while. What was the Met is now three different lines (four if you count the Circle). I think it's high time the District was simplified in the same way. Maybe the Wimbledon - Edgware Road/Tower Hill services should have a different name and colour from the East End - Richmond/Ealing services. (The north side of the Circle copes with three colours, so why not the south?) Nominations for names and colours open now (runs for cover) |
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Post by roythebus on Jul 10, 2014 6:28:44 GMT
How about the Metropolitan District Railway??
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Post by roythebus on Jul 10, 2014 6:30:22 GMT
The May and Baker site was in Dagenham almost opposite Dagenham East station Indeed yes! Getting my names muddled up, Berk Spencer Acids at Bromley-West Ham It must have been the Berk Spencer Acids that I remember crossing the DR. In the early 1970s there was still a connection from the fast lines over the DR on 2 diamond crossings. I never saw them used. |
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