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Post by 1018509 on Jan 1, 2014 21:48:35 GMT
BBC 1 Sherlock - talking about strange happenings on the District line with proving video showing tube stock. Oh dear - life is a b*gger when you know about these things.
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Post by 1018509 on Jan 1, 2014 22:09:24 GMT
Blimey - now they're finding District line cars in Aldwych which turns out to be 72 stock on approach - but D stock interior - poetic licence gone mad!
T(ardis) stock I imagine.
Mind you they did emphasise it's cars and not carriages - well done for that.
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Post by domh245 on Jan 1, 2014 22:35:06 GMT
It all comes down to what tfl let them do: they can only film moving train scenes on charring cross, unless they want to get the punters involved. They can only track walk at aldwych, and it is convenient that the 72ts is there. I'm more impressed with the d stock carriage at the end, I'm guessing that they went to a depot and covered up the windows with greenscreen or something similar, unless they built a mockup carriage for the show. When skyfall came out last year, there was similar uproar on this forum about how the story could have been changed to prevent us "in the know" from frothing at the mouth when watching it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 22:44:52 GMT
I tweeted pretty much the same - as did others - throughout (though I incorrectly thought it was newer S stock - mea culpa). They should really have just done everything as deep tube and put the disused sections as Piccadilly or Jubilee (the former of which has the benefit of being true!)
Fun though ...
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Post by compsci on Jan 1, 2014 22:51:31 GMT
If nothing else it gives me something slightly more topical to talk about when discussing filming when I give guided tours of Aldwych for the museum. Many of the films in the guide's notes list are getting a bit old now. It won't take very long for most people to then notice that the 72 stock in front of them is a bit smaller than the D stock that Sherlock and Watson ended up in.
Very surprised that TfL let them include the line about it being OK to walk on the track if you don't touch the rails. While technically true, you don't want people who don't know what they are doing thinking it will be OK to go on to the track if they e.g. drop their phone. Even on Aldwych tours we pretend that the track is live (most won't notice the SCD in the overrun tunnel) as it stops anyone getting any ideas.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 1, 2014 23:14:46 GMT
I'm more impressed with the d stock carriage at the end, I'm guessing that they went to a depot and covered up the windows with greenscreen or something similar, unless they built a mockup carriage for the show. The "D Stock" car was a mock-up, possibly the same used for EastEnders. It is very good however but a 'trained eye' could spot a few inconsistencies with 'real' D Stock!
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Post by revupminster on Jan 1, 2014 23:20:57 GMT
Just like Skyfall they cannot make the events actually possible or some nutcase might think it could be done. The Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes film took the liberty of tunnels under the House of Parliament emerging at the close by Tower Bridge under construction. It will fill pages of this blog, and many other railway and TV blogs.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 1, 2014 23:37:29 GMT
They should really have just done everything as deep tube and put the disused sections as Piccadilly or Jubilee (the former of which has the benefit of being true!) But it couldn't be the Picadilly if the baddie was to attempt to finish what Guy Fawkes started - only the Jub or District would do. I also doubt that it would be practical to detach the last car from a train and continue as if nothing had happened - it would certainly have been noticed when someone tried to drive it back! Whose was the OO gauge tube layout?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 2, 2014 8:54:46 GMT
That layout looked familiar, was it Abbey Road?
As far as the inaccuracies were concerned, I don't suppose most of the viewers noticed although the irony of the über geek train fanatic character who wouldn't be out of place on these boards getting it all wrong was very funny indeed. Didn't spoil a cracking story for me though!
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 2, 2014 11:00:07 GMT
Just like Skyfall they cannot make the events actually possible or some nutcase might think it could be done. The Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes film took the liberty of tunnels under the House of Parliament emerging at the close by Tower Bridge under construction. It will fill pages of this blog, and many other railway and TV blogs. There must be a nice little earner out there working for film companies to make sure the period set dressing is correct! The antidote to the Oscars are the Turkey awards, maybe we should have our own on the Forum? We could have the "Rusty Rail" awards. Though not strictly U/G, but it was LT, I'd nominate the Foyles War set post war, filmed in Dublin, but using a RM(!!) fully blinded for the 19
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Post by bicbasher on Jan 2, 2014 11:40:23 GMT
I thought the D Stock interior looked more realistic than the EastEnders one they have at Elstree.
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Post by melikepie on Jan 2, 2014 13:28:49 GMT
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Post by compsci on Jan 2, 2014 16:01:29 GMT
For the benefit of those who don't know, the posters in the picture captioned "Posters have been left on the platforms" are about three months old, and about as wartime vintage as my iPad. Those in the picture captioned "The posters can give an indication as to when the underground stations were in operation" were put up in the 1970s to test adhesives (so they are original in a sense), but they're on platform 2, which was closed by 1917.
We will have to invite some BBC bods along for a guided tour of Aldwych.
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 2, 2014 16:23:44 GMT
Why does anyone care about this? It was all wrong from the very off, Sherlock Holmes is a Victorian character!
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Post by DWS on Jan 2, 2014 18:45:17 GMT
Bring back Quatermass and Hobbs End station.
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Post by trt on Jan 2, 2014 20:59:53 GMT
Why does anyone care about this? It was all wrong from the very off, Sherlock Holmes is a Victorian character! I'm with you on this. Absolutely no need to reinvent the wheel. Although my daughter tells me I've "got it all wrong. He's Sherlock, not Sherlock Holmes and they explain that." She was shocked I'd never watched it (thank God for the trailers - they showed enough for me to decide not to watch the first series). Anyway I tried to give this "miraculous return" a go, but as soon as Derren Brown appeared, I turned off as quickly as humanly possible. I'll be sticking with Basil Rathbone.
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Post by melikepie on Jan 2, 2014 22:07:59 GMT
I know this is going a bit off topic but you could always try the American version Elementary with Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu which is a pretty good series
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Post by trt on Jan 2, 2014 22:27:52 GMT
I know this is going a bit off topic but you could always try the American version Elementary with Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu which is a pretty good series Nah. I like "The Sweeney", "The Professionals", "The Avengers" etc. London of yesteryear. It's great fun trying to work out some of the locations, especially if it involves a tube or rail station.
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Post by stuartroy on Jan 2, 2014 22:32:20 GMT
There are a couple of well known abandoned tube stations where filming like this could take place: Aldwych and Charing X (Jubilee) as already mentioned. But is there actually anywhere on the SSR where this could be done? I can't think of any "abandoned" lines which are still serviceable.
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Post by melikepie on Jan 2, 2014 23:12:53 GMT
Not now but in a couple years time Watford would be viable
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 3, 2014 11:05:18 GMT
I know this is going a bit off topic but you could always try the American version Elementary with Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu which is a pretty good series Nah. I like "The Sweeney", "The Professionals", "The Avengers" etc. London of yesteryear. It's great fun trying to work out some of the locations, especially if it involves a tube or rail station. There was an episode the other day all the action being in the Sands End of Chelsea, long before the posh flats were built. Read something years ago that was of the filming was done in the Fulham/Hammersmith/Shepherds Bush area as it wasn't too far from their office base! Their 'favourite' location for a robbery/punch up seemed to be Southall Gasworks. Taggart? Eat your heart out
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 3, 2014 14:47:46 GMT
There are a couple of well known abandoned tube stations where filming like this could take place: Aldwych and Charing X (Jubilee) as already mentioned. But is there actually anywhere on the SSR where this could be done? I can't think of any "abandoned" lines which are still serviceable. There is always the possibility of using the eastbound test track between Northfields and South Ealing !
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 3, 2014 14:52:28 GMT
I know this is going a bit off topic but you could always try the American version Elementary with Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu which is a pretty good series Nah. I like "The Sweeney", "The Professionals", "The Avengers" etc. London of yesteryear. It's great fun trying to work out some of the locations, especially if it involves a tube or rail station. I have to agree, 70's and 80's TV is IMO superior to many of today's offerings and I include the comedies, many of which would not be allowed to be shown now because of the ridicuous PC world which we are now forced to endure. Thank God for ITV3 and ITV4 !!!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 3, 2014 15:25:28 GMT
There are a couple of well known abandoned tube stations where filming like this could take place: Aldwych and Charing X (Jubilee) as already mentioned. But is there actually anywhere on the SSR where this could be done? I can't think of any "abandoned" lines which are still serviceable. Deep tubes are more likely to survive simply because they are too deep to be of much use to anyone else, but some possibilities are: Quainton Road? Olympia? (almost) Is St Marys Curve still accessible?
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 3, 2014 16:38:55 GMT
There are a couple of well known abandoned tube stations where filming like this could take place: Aldwych and Charing X (Jubilee) as already mentioned. But is there actually anywhere on the SSR where this could be done? I can't think of any "abandoned" lines which are still serviceable. Deep tubes are more likely to survive simply because they are too deep to be of much use to anyone else, but some possibilities are: Quainton Road? Olympia? (almost) Is St Marys Curve still accessible? No it was taken out, and I think(?) bricked up as part of the O/G works on the East London line.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 17:46:17 GMT
.... Although my daughter tells me I've "got it all wrong. He's Sherlock, not Sherlock Holmes and they explain that." In the episode at 30min 10 Secs, Una Stubbs refers to his brother as Mr Holmes so by implication Sherlock is also Holmes unless they are half brothers or they are using it as an alias. even the synopsis on the bbc web site says "Sherlock Holmes" www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01dmfz6/Sherlock_Series_3_The_Empty_Hearse/So Daddy knows best
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 3, 2014 19:10:34 GMT
Why does anyone care about this? It was all wrong from the very off, Sherlock Holmes is a Victorian character! I'm with you on this. Absolutely no need to reinvent the wheel. Although my daughter tells me I've "got it all wrong. He's Sherlock, not Sherlock Holmes and they explain that." She was shocked I'd never watched it (thank God for the trailers - they showed enough for me to decide not to watch the first series). Anyway I tried to give this "miraculous return" a go, but as soon as Derren Brown appeared, I turned off as quickly as humanly possible. I'll be sticking with Basil Rathbone. I struggle to remember any version of Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes I haven't enjoyed. Even the Peter Cushing ones were OK! It's all a matter of perspective in the end, same as Doctor Who (only 50 years trading, so a more condensed scenario). We all have our "go-to Sherlock" and for me that's Bazza, just like you trt! However, I see the merits in all of them and this current version (the period is irrelevant to me, it's all about the plot) is excellent entertainment, as are the Robert Downey Jr film versions. I don't think they've reinvented the wheel at all, just time shifted it! Rich
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Post by 1018509 on Jan 3, 2014 19:31:26 GMT
There are a couple of well known abandoned tube stations where filming like this could take place: Aldwych and Charing X (Jubilee) as already mentioned. But is there actually anywhere on the SSR where this could be done? I can't think of any "abandoned" lines which are still serviceable. Behind adverts opposite Baker Street platform 4. Used to be a bit of track and a couple of disused buildings. Found it in a bit of PNR desperation when the public facilities were inexplicably locked.
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Post by 1018509 on Jan 3, 2014 19:33:10 GMT
Bring back Quatermass and Hobbs End station. Err! Isn't that Aldwych too? The never used in recent times abandoned platform.
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Post by revupminster on Jan 3, 2014 21:41:42 GMT
Department S "Last Train to Redbridge" has some good images of trains and uniforms and is typical Department S story. Catch it before its taken down.
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