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Post by toledo1850 on Nov 27, 2013 21:31:40 GMT
Why is it when there are problems on the Met line south of Wembley, some trains terminate at Harrow on the hill, then run empty down the fast line to the Neasden Depot,
Would it not be better for the passengers if the train was to terminate at platform 6 at Wembley, therefore giving passengers the option of using Jubilee or Metropolitan line trains to continue the journey?
the empty train could then still run into the depot as planned,
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Post by superteacher on Nov 27, 2013 21:41:19 GMT
It's the same situation with trains stabling in Neasden depot after the evening peak. They always detrain at Harrow and run empty from there. I'm not sure if it's to do with more staff being available at Harrow to detrain, but it's been like this since the year dot.
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Post by andypurk on Nov 27, 2013 22:18:11 GMT
It's also easier to change trains at Harrow, a cross platform interchange, than from the Metropolitan Fast line at Wembley where there would likely be long queues for the footbridge.
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 27, 2013 23:41:56 GMT
I guess it all boils down to the pesky fact that that Bakerloo Line decided to build a station at Wembley Park. Before then the Met would tip out at Harrow and then just trundle off to their depot.
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Post by Harsig on Nov 28, 2013 5:34:10 GMT
Quite simply, when there is a complete service suspension south of Wembley ( as happened twice yesterday ) experience has shown that it is simply not possible to detrain all southbound trains at Wembley Park. To do so leads to long queues of trains trying to get into Wembley, while trains ahead detrain. These queues would actually extend the journey time to Wembley to such an extent that it would take longer for all passengers to reach Wembley than it does under the current arrangements which may involve changing trains at Harrow. As it is queues still form approaching Wembley but in general the signalman can prioritise trains on the local line knowing that trains on the fast line are already empty.
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Post by knap on Nov 28, 2013 8:50:48 GMT
Yesterday (27 Nov) trains to Aldgate were terminating at Harrow with those that should have reached Baker St going onto Wembley. Then at about 8:30 Harrow on the Hill was evacuated because of an emergency, as explained by PA announcements. The local paper web site later said the evacuation was caused by too many passengers on the station. I have not experienced Harrow being evacuated before, I hope nothing too serious had happened. It did make for a very long journey to work!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 17:07:08 GMT
Quite simply, when there is a complete service suspension south of Wembley ( as happened twice yesterday ) experience has shown that it is simply not possible to detrain all southbound trains at Wembley Park. To do so leads to long queues of trains trying to get into Wembley, while trains ahead detrain. These queues would actually extend the journey time to Wembley to such an extent that it would take longer for all passengers to reach Wembley than it does under the current arrangements which may involve changing trains at Harrow. As it is queues still form approaching Wembley but in general the signalman can prioritise trains on the local line knowing that trains on the fast line are already empty. I've been thinking the same exact thing, as to why trains detrain at Harrow! Surely it is possible to detrain all passengers using both platforms 5 & 6 at Wembley Park? I assume the only potential issue, is overcrowding at Wembley while passengers attempt to board a Jubilee Train?? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 17:23:13 GMT
Harrow is a "Met" station and Wembley Park is a "Jubilee" managed station. I would guess that any priority is given to the Jubilee - looking after their own and all that. Plus there probably isn't any 'standby' staff available to detrain in platform 6. A bit 'controversial' maybe but .....
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Post by peterc on Nov 28, 2013 17:48:55 GMT
I have a distant recollection of detraining at Wembley Park. As far as I remember the following train could be unloading before the previous trainload of passengers had cleared the platform.
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Post by metrider on Nov 28, 2013 18:24:51 GMT
Yesterday (27 Nov) trains to Aldgate were terminating at Harrow with those that should have reached Baker St going onto Wembley. Then at about 8:30 Harrow on the Hill was evacuated because of an emergency, as explained by PA announcements. The local paper web site later said the evacuation was caused by too many passengers on the station. I have not experienced Harrow being evacuated before, I hope nothing too serious had happened. It did make for a very long journey to work! I must have passed through the station a few minutes before the evacuation. I arrived on a semi-fast Uxbridge so was on the wrong side of my train to see what was going on on platforms 5 and 6. Platforms 3 and 4 looked normal-ish, and whilst there were a lot of passengers waiting on platform 2 for the southbound Chiltern, the only thing wrong there was that even with a usual day's train loadings, the next train would have been too busy to take even a fraction of them!. Up the stars and to the gate-line was a bit busier then normal, but then just getting through the gate-line was an interesting exercise as the entire area outside the gate-line, in front of the ticket office and to the top of the St-Annes stairs was packed absolutely solid. It took quite a while to work my way through the throng. At that time the gate at the bottom of the stairs was partially closed, I suppose to stop the crowd extending down the stairs. I've never seen anything like that and hope that I never do again!... Strangely enough my own journey out of town was only a few minutes longer than normal, losing seven minutes to the lumbering Jubbly to Wembley and saving three from a semi fast sprint down the fast lines to Harrow. Now.... just to master the walking on water thing! |
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