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Post by londonboi1985 on Nov 8, 2013 17:29:39 GMT
what on earth happened today on the District line it has been fine for days then all of a sudden it gets completely messed up
i know there was a customer incident earlier at bromley by bow or bow road but what happened at South Kensington it seemed to take forever to get fixed
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 8, 2013 17:35:41 GMT
Sadly a person under a westbound train at Stepney Green, 75min delay. Services suspended Tower Hill (latterly Whitechapel)-West Ham.
Then a C Stock requiring the attention of the fire brigade at South Kensington EB.
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Post by londonboi1985 on Nov 8, 2013 17:59:38 GMT
ah thanks for that Dstock7080
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 18:02:04 GMT
Not a great day for the tube in general to be honest, Central, H&C, Circle, Northern and others all had problems yesterday. Hammersmith was a bit of a nightmare yesterday evening - power failure so no ticket machines, gates, departure boards or electronic service update screens - with rammed platforms due to the District Line failure... Although it did give me a chance to ride on a Piccadilly Line 1973 stock over the local line from Hammersmith to Acton  |
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Post by melikepie on Nov 9, 2013 18:39:01 GMT
Does, in times of disruption on the Piccailly Line, the District ever run fast between Hammersmith and Acton Town?
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Post by Colin on Nov 9, 2013 20:51:15 GMT
If the Picc is knackered, the District will carry on as normal. Why would we non stop our own stations, thus disregarding our own customers, for the benefit of the Piccadilly line?!! In particular, the only District line trains that go from Hammersmith to Acton Town are the Ealing trains - that's one every ten minutes off peak - and they're the only ones that serve Chiswick Park!!
Having said that though, if the District is really up the wall, the Picc will sometimes help out by stopping additionally where they have platforms (Ravenscourt Park, Stamford Brook westbound only) and Turnham Green (if not stopping there already).
To complete the subject, it should be noted that us District drivers are trained to run down the Picc in both directions, though this is only really used if there's a problem on our side or during engineering works (ie, there are no regular timetabled runs for District line trains between Hammersmith & Acton Town). We may run non stop or stop where there's a platform - that'll be dependent on the line controller's instructions or engineering timetable as appropriate.
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Post by sawb on Nov 9, 2013 21:11:27 GMT
If the Picc is knackered, the District will carry on as normal. Why would we non stop our own stations, thus disregarding our own customers, for the benefit of the Piccadilly line?!! In particular, the only District line trains that go from Hammersmith to Acton Town are the Ealing trains - that's one every ten minutes off peak - and they're the only ones that serve Chiswick Park!! Having said that though, if the District is really up the wall, the Picc will sometimes help out by stopping additionally where they have platforms (Ravenscourt Park, Stamford Brook westbound only) and Turnham Green (if not stopping there already). To complete the subject, it should be noted that us District drivers are trained to run down the Picc in both directions, though this is only really used if there's a problem on our side or during engineering works (ie, there are no regular timetabled runs for District line trains between Hammersmith & Acton Town). We may run non stop or stop where there's a platform - that'll be dependent on the line controller's instructions or engineering timetable as appropriate. Colin, or any other District line train operator, Given the rumoured Piccadilly line situation over Christmas, i.e. running to Ealing Broadway, presumably the trains will be operated by Picc crews but piloted by Ealing Common crews from the District? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 9, 2013 22:32:59 GMT
Colin, or any other District line train operator, Given the rumoured Piccadilly line situation over Christmas, i.e. running to Ealing Broadway, presumably the trains will be operated by Picc crews but piloted by Ealing Common crews from the District? Yes, the Piccadilly trains to Ealing Broadway will be piloted by District Line drivers based at Acton Town. Which is quite strange as there is nothing to prevent a D Stock running a shuttle from Acton Town with only 1 driver! A 20min service to Ealing Broadway will be provided on 26 December, with trains running from Arnos Grove. Also a 20min Uxbridge service will be provided from Cockfosters. On 27/28/29/30 December an odd 12,18,12,18min pattern will run from Arnos Grove & Cockfosters. |
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Post by rsdworker on Nov 9, 2013 22:42:01 GMT
ah nice so that's would be ideal so anyone has tested piccadilly trains in Ealing broadway station yet?
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Post by Colin on Nov 9, 2013 22:54:08 GMT
Which is quite strange as there is nothing to prevent a D Stock running a shuttle from Acton Town with only 1 driver! I wondered about that too. I can only imagine the reason for no D stocks is to do with works taking place in the depot itself  ah nice so that's would be ideal so anyone has tested piccadilly trains in Ealing broadway station yet? 73ts has been there before; there's no real issues with length as they're almost identical - in fact I'm pretty certain D stocks are a tad longer - and the signalling is all conventional so there's reason to suspect there'll be any problems..... |
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Post by malcolmffc on Nov 10, 2013 8:54:54 GMT
If the Picc is knackered, the District will carry on as normal. Why would we non stop our own stations, thus disregarding our own customers, for the benefit of the Piccadilly line?!! I Because your passengers are customers of London Underground/TfL, not a particular tube line. Time for some customer-focused thinking. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 10, 2013 11:32:13 GMT
If the District non-stopped their passengers would be inconvenienced lots and Picc passengers a bit (they're having to change line), so its actually in the interests of the majority of Underground users for the District to run a full good service.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 10, 2013 12:23:30 GMT
If the Picc is knackered, the District will carry on as normal. Why would we non stop our own stations, thus disregarding our own customers, for the benefit of the Piccadilly line?!! I Because your passengers are customers of London Underground/TfL, not a particular tube line. Time for some customer-focused thinking. How would effectively shutting several stations be customer-focused thinking? I can't see where you're coming from there Malcolm. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 10, 2013 12:31:17 GMT
Which is quite strange as there is nothing to prevent a D Stock running a shuttle from Acton Town with only 1 driver! I wondered about that too. I can only imagine the reason for no D stocks is to do with works taking place in the depot itself ah nice so that's would be ideal so anyone has tested piccadilly trains in Ealing broadway station yet? 73ts has been there before; there's no real issues with length as they're almost identical - in fact I'm pretty certain D stocks are a tad longer - and the signalling is all conventional so there's reason to suspect there'll be any problems..... The old shuttle to South Acton from Acton Town, didn't that have 'only one driver'? |
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Post by rsdworker on Nov 10, 2013 13:06:30 GMT
I wondered about that too. I can only imagine the reason for no D stocks is to do with works taking place in the depot itself 73ts has been there before; there's no real issues with length as they're almost identical - in fact I'm pretty certain D stocks are a tad longer - and the signalling is all conventional so there's reason to suspect there'll be any problems..... The old shuttle to South Acton from Acton Town, didn't that have 'only one driver'? correct its noted on Wiki |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 10, 2013 13:16:51 GMT
Because your passengers are customers of London Underground/TfL, not a particular tube line. Time for some customer-focused thinking. How would effectively shutting several stations be customer-focused thinking? I can't see where you're coming from there Malcolm. Joined up thinking. If there are a lot of people stranded at the west end of the line and only a relatively few people wanting to go east, (e.g in the morning peak) the greater good may suggest getting a train out to Acton as fast as possible to clear the crowd, and if for some reason there is no Piccadilly service available, that crowdbuster might have to be borrowed from the District. It's difficult to imagine such a scenario though, because with two Piccadilly branches converging at Acton from the west, and a turnback available at Hammersmith, it's unlikely that there would be no eastbound Piccs at all. Maybe if some fault caused the entire 1973 stock fleet to be grounded? |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 10, 2013 23:00:31 GMT
It's difficult to imagine such a scenario though, because with two Piccadilly branches converging at Acton from the west, and a turnback available at Hammersmith, it's unlikely that there would be no eastbound Piccs at all. Maybe if some fault caused the entire 1973 stock fleet to be grounded? When the 1992s were grounded post Chancery Lane, the line was shut and replacement buses operated. However there weren't any other trains that could operate on the Central Line. If the same thing happened on the Picc it might be different, particularly given that it serves Heathrow. Working west to east: Uxbridge to Rayners Lane would be Met service only, expending any resource to get something else there would be foolish. The Met might strengthen their service a bit if necessary and possible. Ealing Common to South Ken would get service from the District, again possibly strengthened, and possibly augmented per below. The Heathrow branch would get replacement buses to Acton Town and/or (like this weekend) Gunnersbury South Ken to Kings Cross you can virtually guarantee no rail service and no replacement buses - other lines and regular buses give plenty of options. Kings Cross to Finsbury Park, probably replacement buses but I'm not certain. North/east of Finsbury Park, replacement buses possibly also linking to nearby NR stations. Surface stock can thoguh run on the Pic tracks Hammersmith to Rayners Lane/Northfields (any further these days?), so if there were units and drivers available then a service may be operated using S stock on some or all of that stretch. Pilots shouldn't be difficult to come by. |
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Post by rsdworker on Nov 11, 2013 5:36:06 GMT
i believe surface stock ran to Hounslow West in past but the under cover section within station should be able for S stock or D stock (up to heathrow 123 and 4 - tunnels are square
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 11, 2013 7:21:50 GMT
i believe surface stock ran to Hounslow West in past but the under cover section within station should be able for S stock or D stock (up to heathrow 123 and 4 - tunnels are square There were, and I assume still are, Surface Stock detectors on the Hounslow branch to prevent the larger trains from entering the rebuilt subsurface Hounslow West station and the subsequent tunnels to Heathrow. |
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Post by bassmike on Nov 11, 2013 13:28:30 GMT
You could until a few years ago run suface stock to Hounslow west tunnel mouths theoretically, but practically only to Hounslow central where it could reverse (been there on a railtour) Afaik since then in the usual blinkered way an overbridge has been replaced to tube gauge but iI can't remember where.This has happened on the Northern line open section as well. In a similar way several overbridges on NR have been rebuilt to UK loading gauge rather than increasing the headroom at wery little if any extra cost.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 11, 2013 16:49:48 GMT
There were, and I assume still are, Surface Stock detectors on the Hounslow branch to prevent the larger trains from entering the rebuilt subsurface Hounslow West station and the subsequent tunnels to Heathrow. Indeed, the detector is still in place, if broken will keep signal X412A at danger. |
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Post by metrailway on Nov 11, 2013 22:45:11 GMT
You could until a few years ago run suface stock to Hounslow west tunnel mouths theoretically, but practically only to Hounslow central where it could reverse (been there on a railtour) Afaik since then in the usual blinkered way an overbridge has been replaced to tube gauge but iI can't remember where.This has happened on the Northern line open section as well. In a similar way several overbridges on NR have been rebuilt to UK loading gauge rather than increasing the headroom at wery little if any extra cost. At least NR have learnt the errors of their ways - I think all new replacements allow for a UIC GB+ loading gauge. |
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Post by roythebus on Nov 14, 2013 12:02:07 GMT
A bit historic, but I worked a DR train (R stock) fast from AT to Hammersmith back in 1971 when one of the "new" diesel locos failed on the delta track on the approach to AT! We couldn't access the DR platform.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 22:38:25 GMT
Does, in times of disruption on the Piccailly Line, the District ever run fast between Hammersmith and Acton Town? Not really - at least people can use Ealing Broadway district line trains as an alternative and usually carry on journeys using Piccadilly shuttle services to/from acton - although it will take about 3-4 mins to get there from hammersmith... It's more important to stop Piccadilly trains if the districts down because some people have no service at all - it's (morally) better for some people to get places a bit slower than have others unable to get there at all... Also only some trains were diverted - the uxbridge branch is unloved anyway so that train was diverted - we were overtaken by 2 heathrow trains which people could use instead. As a regular user of this part of the line having the alternative is great and come in useful several times. The problem is the infrequency of district line trains means that they get rammed at acton/hammersmith meaning it's too busy for most people to get on at the intermediate stations - it could be a reason for them to run non stop but then even more people would be inconvenienced - and the time taken explaining they're not going to stop will take as long - the diverted Piccadilly I got on spent about 2 mins at hammersmith while announcements explained what was going on. Piccadilly trains are diverted if there's a fast line failure - several were on Monday 10/11/13 due to a signal failure at hammersmith - the local line has spare capacity so the Piccadilly could maintain it's usual service level (although everything took longer through the area) - although not helped by slightly mean Piccadilly drivers not opening the doors at intermediate stations even though they're stuck at red lights, with district line trains piling up behind... It has happened - there's pictures somewhere on flickr, I'll try and dig them up. Maybe if there's a failure at Acton Town preventing access to platform 4 from the branch, or the points just after platform 4 to the fast line get stuck. (Edit: or the points at Turnham Green break) Although they'll probably just use the acton sidings and start a shuttle to Ealing, to avoid clogging the Piccadilly which is pretty full (especially at peak times). Maybe if it's the morning when the service is thinner and they urgently need trains in the core ready for the peak. Edit:
Found a thread on District Line fast line usage: www.districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/16371/use-fast-lines-district-trainsAnd some pictures. Turns out it was a points failure at Turnham Green - District trains ran fast stopping at Turnham Green only. www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3424934630/ |
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