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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 15:04:36 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Sept 13, 2013 15:41:23 GMT
Those are quite nice, but that S stock front looks off. It may be the extruded sections, or more likely the fact that the front is flat. on the actual train, the front is slanted a bit, and the windows top arch isn't as severe, it is more gentle. But other than that, it they are all rather good. What about the C stock though?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 17:35:16 GMT
A Black Beettle motor bogie would be your best bet easy to fit DCC conversion no problem. You would require one per 3 cars as a rule.
Nice project and I look forward to seeing the finished models
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 18:05:44 GMT
Those are quite nice, but that S stock front looks off. It may be the extruded sections, or more likely the fact that the front is flat. on the actual train, the front is slanted a bit, and the windows top arch isn't as severe, it is more gentle. But other than that, it they are all rather good. What about the C stock though? Thanks, I have just modified the design now. Does it look better than before?  There is a 1mm slant on the nose now along with a better design on the roof line over the cab. Re C Stock, it is on the to do list however I'd rather see if there is a demand for a refurbished C stock along with the current projects before making a decision on whether to do one or not. A Refurbished A stock DM is also on the same to do list but using the Radley Models underframe/bogies. @xercesfobe, Thanks for that. I'll order one on payday and experiment with the appropiate fixings to the underframes. Cheers, Jon |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 13, 2013 19:32:18 GMT
It's difficult to get the right slant, but this image might be useful:  The slant is difficult to see from the view provided. It might be easier to see from a slightly more sideways view, if that is possible. Also, I think that it will look better without the extruded door, PIS, and de-trainment lights, those could be suitably modelled with a vinyl overlay. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 17:57:52 GMT
It's difficult to get the right slant, but this image might be useful: The slant is difficult to see from the view provided. It might be easier to see from a slightly more sideways view, if that is possible. Also, I think that it will look better without the extruded door, PIS, and de-trainment lights, those could be suitably modelled with a vinyl overlay. That image is more than useful. I've been looking for something like that for a while now. Thanks for that. Where did you find it? Based on that, I've completely redesigned the front end. I'm still not happy with the PIS area but its better than before. Not sure how to deal with that area but its getting there.   Jon |
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Post by metroland on Sept 14, 2013 18:45:21 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Sept 14, 2013 18:56:37 GMT
That is a lot better, good job. As for the PIS, I think what is happening there is that the roof is arched, where it should be flat(ter) than it it is. Currently the roof curves down into the front, whilst it should just extend in a straight line to the front. See the attached (crudely drawn) diagram:  Hope this helps. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 21:32:48 GMT
That is a lot better, good job. As for the PIS, I think what is happening there is that the roof is arched, where it should be flat(ter) than it it is. Currently the roof curves down into the front, whilst it should just extend in a straight line to the front. See the attached (crudely drawn) diagram: Hope this helps. Hi, It is helping but I'm starting to get the impression its starting to become either a lack of my ability to manlipulate the software or the software's inability to accept what I want it to do. Ah well, I can only continue to try to improve it...   Cheers, Jon |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 14, 2013 22:50:56 GMT
I think this photo best illustrates my point:  . The top of the front doesn't arch as much as you have it at the moment, but rather intersects with the front. If you bring the roof forward as you have done with the PIS but for the whole front, as well as getting rid of the little ridge on the roof from the PIS where you have added it then I think you'll have got it. |
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Post by Antje on Sept 14, 2013 23:06:39 GMT
The top-half of the sides is slanted like the C69/77 equivalent. It isn't perfectly vertical.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 14:45:21 GMT
The top-half of the sides is slanted like the C69/77 equivalent. It isn't perfectly vertical. Thanks for the feedback gents. Here's how it stands at the moment.   Cheers, Jon |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 15, 2013 16:03:34 GMT
Remember, as shown in astock5000's excellent drawing, that the leading pair of double doors (immediately behind the cab) is narrower than the rest at 1447mm external - rather than 1847mm for all others. My photo of the front:   |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 15, 2013 18:16:16 GMT
Yes, your model is coming along leaps and bounds now, especially compared to the original model. I think that possibly one of the last adjustments that needs to be done is making the rounding at the front of a slightly lesser radius. But other than that, it looks almost ready to print!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 20:17:43 GMT
Yes, your model is coming along leaps and bounds now, especially compared to the original model. I think that possibly one of the last adjustments that needs to be done is making the rounding at the front of a slightly lesser radius. But other than that, it looks almost ready to print! Cheers  It's been really helpful using this forum. This should hopefully be the last version before printing. Just need to modify the NDM to match now. Plan is that once the S stock is finished, I'll start checking the D Stock designs against the drawings I've got followed by starting on the refurbished C stock.    Cheers, Jon |
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Post by metman on Sept 16, 2013 18:23:26 GMT
Good luck with this. I´m in Brazil till the endof the month and this my first chance to reply. Re the S stock - rather you than me! Aside from hating them the number of curves on them look very tricky and to achieve a smooth finish with 3D printing is going to be tough. The D stock was one of my projects years ago. I built part ofa trailer side and put it down. To correct you, the D stock and1973 stock do not share the same bogie, only the traction motor and wheel size. Compressors perhaps too? The D stock bogie was replaced a few years back so get on the net and find some photos- or ask someone here very nicely! The profile of the cab looks a little too rounded asthe corners are a little sharper on the real thing. As ever go out and take some photos while you still can. The A stock chasis is quite good but beware the A60 and 62 trailer chasis are different. Radley models do a A62 chasis now so speak to phil about that. I´m hoping to upgrade the A stock bogies to a better and more reailistic design soon - so watch this space. Good look, this is all looking really good. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 20:02:29 GMT
What chassis did you use for your Hunslet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 20:27:08 GMT
Good luck with this. I´m in Brazil till the endof the month and this my first chance to reply. Re the S stock - rather you than me! Aside from hating them the number of curves on them look very tricky and to achieve a smooth finish with 3D printing is going to be tough. The D stock was one of my projects years ago. I built part ofa trailer side and put it down. To correct you, the D stock and1973 stock do not share the same bogie, only the traction motor and wheel size. Compressors perhaps too? The D stock bogie was replaced a few years back so get on the net and find some photos- or ask someone here very nicely! The profile of the cab looks a little too rounded asthe corners are a little sharper on the real thing. As ever go out and take some photos while you still can. The A stock chasis is quite good but beware the A60 and 62 trailer chasis are different. Radley models do a A62 chasis now so speak to phil about that. I´m hoping to upgrade the A stock bogies to a better and more reailistic design soon - so watch this space. Good look, this is all looking really good. Thanks
Thanks for the information re the D stock. I'll have to try and get as many shots of the underframes on the D stock when I'm next up in London. I'll have to put a thread on here as well as getting shots of underframes isn't overly easy from the opposite platform. At the moment, I want to get the S stock finished design wise with the prototypes on the way from shapeways. Once that happens, I'll move onto the D stock working mainly on the bogies using lessons learnt from the S stock. The bodies has already been modified taking your comments into account.
What chassis did you use for your Hunslet? Hi, I used the new Bachmann Standard 2 2-6-0 Tender engine chassis minus the tender and pony truck. S Stock Project updateS Stock - Driving Motor:- Both the Body and Chassis are now ready to be printed. S Stock - Trailer (M1, M2 and UNDM) Body:- Both the Body and Chassis are now ready to be printed. S Stock - Bogies:- After a major redesign, all 5 versions of the V2 is now also ready to be printed. The main difference is that the NEM pockets are now mounted on a rotating section that should make getting round corners easier.    Cheers, Jon |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 21:40:45 GMT
Evening all, Appologies for the double post, but here's the latest update of the D stock and the first upload to shapeways of the C stock. Hopefully, on friday I'll be sending the first S stock UNDM (MS) car for printing. Hopefully it'll be fine. With regards to the C69/C77/D78 stocks, with the impending decrease in the number of C69/77 stock running on LU, I've decided to make that the piority with regards to modelling time taking into account lessons learnt with the S stock. C Stock V1:-  Once the latest S stock bogie design arrives from the printers and has been checked, I'm planning to finalise the bogies for the C69/C77 stock and sort out the side windows to adding the rounded corners. D78 Stock V2:-  Once the C69/C77 stock is at the same stage as the S stock, work will restart on the bogies for use under the D78 stock. Cheers, Jon |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 26, 2013 15:50:49 GMT
That C stock is very good, although I think the destination blind is slightly height-wise than what you currently have, and the doors follow the profile of the body, rather than being perfectly flat.
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Post by tomek on Sept 27, 2013 9:52:16 GMT
There are plenty of links to this file on this forum by might be useful for you, www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/foi/Rolling_stock_Data_Sheet_2nd_Edition.pdfThe front of the D stock isn't flat, it is slight curved as you can see on the car's top view in the drawings in the datasheet. I'm thinking about making a model of the D stock myself so I'm following this thread with much attention ! |
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Post by metman on Sept 27, 2013 15:52:43 GMT
Coming on well. The D stock cab windows look too shallow but you've sorted the curves out well I think. The C stock front doesn't look right. There is beading line at cant rail height that is missing. The note about the destination box seems valid too. Keep going though |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 10:10:58 GMT
Cheers for all the feedback. That C stock is very good, although I think the destination blind is slightly height-wise than what you currently have, and the doors follow the profile of the body, rather than being perfectly flat. Thanks, I've already sorted out the doors as I had already noticed that. In which way is the destination blind out? Too high, too wide? There are plenty of links to this file on this forum by might be useful for you, www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/foi/Rolling_stock_Data_Sheet_2nd_Edition.pdfThe front of the D stock isn't flat, it is slight curved as you can see on the car's top view in the drawings in the datasheet. I'm thinking about making a model of the D stock myself so I'm following this thread with much attention ! Cheers, I'm using that same drawings for both the C and D stocks. I've sorted out the front of the D stock cars so that they're now curved. Hopefully It won't be long until I get round to restarting work on the D stock so I can show some more progress on it. Coming on well. The D stock cab windows look too shallow but you've sorted the curves out well I think. The C stock front doesn't look right. There is beading line at cant rail height that is missing. The note about the destination box seems valid too. Keep going though Cheers. On the C stock, where's the missing beading line? I can't spot one on either photographs or the Drawings for the refurbished C stock that I have. Here's the latest shots of both the C stock and D stocks.    Cheers, Jon |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 30, 2013 15:39:13 GMT
Cheers for all the feedback. That C stock is very good, although I think the destination blind is slightly height-wise than what you currently have, and the doors follow the profile of the body, rather than being perfectly flat. Thanks, I've already sorted out the doors as I had already noticed that. In which way is the destination blind out? Too high, too wide? The blind is too tall, it needs to be about half what it is now, as I think you have lumped the blind together with the grille above it. The beading is just level with the bottom edge of the cut away part of the roof, as can be seen in this photo  |
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Post by metman on Sept 30, 2013 16:22:19 GMT
I hope the above picture shows the joint between the cab front and roof dome.
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Post by domh245 on Sept 30, 2013 16:41:58 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 30, 2013 19:35:26 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 30, 2013 20:45:42 GMT
As shown in that picture, the blind is in a housing which is, at least at its ends, proud of the roof dome.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 15:36:24 GMT
I hope the above picture shows the joint between the cab front and roof dome.
Oh! Now I see it. Cheers for that. Its on the todo list to do when I get a spare minute from college work.
On the upside though, the first S stock print has arrived. I've had the DM printed out and bar a few printing issues which Shapeways are now looking into, It acturley works as designed. I'm especially happy with the bogie designs to the extent that the similar designs for the C stock will be finished so that once the S stock M1/M2/UNDM have been test printed, the C stock will be able to follow shortly afterwards money depending. I'm aiming to use the same core design for the D stock as well but I'm not sure where to find appropiate sized wheels. Any suggestions?
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Post by arun on Oct 11, 2013 16:45:19 GMT
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It's been really helpful using this forum.
