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Post by trt on Sept 13, 2013 14:18:58 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Sept 13, 2013 14:46:13 GMT
That does confirm that part of the train was in the tunnel (so that the CSDE would need to be overridden to open the doors), and that the train operator was unaware of what was happening (and so wouldn't immediately know of the need to open the doors).
The picture looks rather more like Stratford than Holland Park though!
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Post by rsdworker on Sept 13, 2013 15:09:34 GMT
from RAIB page
i am sure something has happened on train before passenger operated alarm
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 15:34:05 GMT
Yes looks like the RAIB have cause for concern here - no surprise there eh! "the RAIB considers that there was potential for injuries to occur because the train was heavily loaded and a large number of people were prevented from leaving the train for almost four minutes after it stopped." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 15:36:41 GMT
There is no reason for passengers to not be able to open doors in an emergency at a station. Understandable, but to back up Chris M's point and put it into seemingly plain english, if part of a train is in a tunnel, a train can't open it's doors. You have just been proved wrong by the RAIB "About two and a half minutes after the train stopped, station staff reached the platform and opened one pair of doors from the outside. Approximately one minute later, the Train Operator opened all the doors adjacent to the platform" |
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Post by southfieldschris on Sept 13, 2013 15:59:11 GMT
from RAIB page i am sure something has happened on train before passenger operated alarm Indeed - but these sorts of reports avoid speculation as to motivation when reciting the facts and findings. There is a clue a few lines later: The Train Operator was not aware that a fault with the brakes on one car in the train was generating smoke and fumes.
A reasonable inference would be that passengers became aware of the smoke and fumes and operated the alarm for that reason, but it's not being offered explicitly at this stage. If a statement were available on the lines of "I operated the alarm and this is why" then the report would be worded accordingly. In any event, it's not the key point. The key point is whether the evacuation could have been handled differently under the circumstances. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 13, 2013 18:32:25 GMT
The forum staff have been keeping a close eye on this thread, with due regard to the Forum Rules, in this case 7.3:
Accordingly this thread is now locked.
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 17, 2013 17:29:58 GMT
The RAIB have launched an appeal for witnesses to this incident as detailed in this Forum Announcement. Forum Staff have liased with the RAIB and would encourage any member or reader of this Forum witness to the incident to contact the RAIB as detailed in the announcement in order to improve passenger safety. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 28, 2014 18:11:31 GMT
The official report has now been released, details are here. |
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Given that this type of incident/event will be subject to official lines of enquiry and/or investigation, it is important that we do not allow this forum to become involved with speculation that would detract from the facts. Information may or may not be found within websites elsewhere on the internet - just because it's on another website, it doesn't mean it is factually correct or that we'll allow it here; again the forum staff cannot 'police' other websites, but we are responsible for what appears on this forum.
