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Post by melikepie on Jul 7, 2013 16:43:54 GMT
With the link to be opened in 2016, would any new platforms be needed to be built at Watford Junction? Or would the current Overground platforms cope?
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Post by mcmaddog on Jul 7, 2013 22:00:26 GMT
Sorry I don't know but if they do need to hopefully they'll have another stab at sorting the frontage given the abysmal changes they've just completed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 8:04:58 GMT
There is one spare platform at watford junction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 8:21:23 GMT
The plan is to use the 4 existing "DC" platforms. A "5th" platform used to extend past the location of the old station building and was linked to the down main at the north end.
The remaining part of this platform is not planned to be used at present as there is "signalling equipment" on the track bed which would be expensive to relocate!
When the link is up and running, operational issues could well see a change to the current plan.
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Post by geoffc on Jul 28, 2013 15:02:42 GMT
Are there any plans to use some of the old sidings south of WFJ for the Met or LO . There is an old carriage wash facility on a siding which I assume has long been abandoned which could be brought into use (without the wash ! with space for a least one train . It might add some flexibility - rather than stabling everything at Watford Met.
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Post by trt on Jul 28, 2013 18:29:55 GMT
Sorry I don't know but if they do need to hopefully they'll have another stab at sorting the frontage given the abysmal changes they've just completed Ha! You're not wrong there. Diabolical. The LM management team needs stringing up! |
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Post by andypurk on Jul 28, 2013 23:39:05 GMT
Are there any plans to use some of the old sidings south of WFJ for the Met or LO . There is an old carriage wash facility on a siding which I assume has long been abandoned which could be brought into use (without the wash ! with space for a least one train . It might add some flexibility - rather than stabling everything at Watford Met. Use of the sidings is unlikely, unless they substantially revise the track layout. The sidings are only directly accessible from platform 6, so would need a double shunt from platforms 1-4, and I believe that they would also be too short for an S8 train. Easy stabling for just one S8 train (or 2 class 378s) would seem to need a lot of money spent for little advantage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 22:32:51 GMT
When the link is up and running I think that might well be some operational issues at Watford Jct as soon as there are problems on either the Overground or the Met . Assuming that all platforms are occupied at Watford Jct it will only be possible to turn trains back at Harrow & Wealdstone and Rickmanworth (diverted trains ) or even Watford Met! which is less than ideal.
I can see some remodeling of the track layout at Watford Jct to provide additional capacity by 2020!
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Post by mrjrt on Jul 30, 2013 14:27:46 GMT
...or they just restore the crossover south of WHS (or put one in north of there).
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Post by trt on Jul 30, 2013 17:51:41 GMT
...or they just restore the crossover south of WHS (or put one in north of there). Just what I was thinking. Wait? They got rid of the cross-over? |
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Post by mrjrt on Jul 31, 2013 11:34:49 GMT
...or they just restore the crossover south of WHS (or put one in north of there). Just what I was thinking. Wait? They got rid of the cross-over? I've not been down there for quite some time. It existed for the single-track Croxley Green branch, and so I figured it's days were numbered...and when I checked on Carto Metro it looked removed. Could be wrong... Google maps is really out of date and shows it, and bing maps aren't clear enough, but you can see relaid track. I think it went when they relaid a lot of the track that way a few years back. |
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Post by causton on Jul 31, 2013 17:55:42 GMT
Never seen it on SimSig or in real life, never knew one was there before actually!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 19:52:16 GMT
Just what I was thinking. Wait? They got rid of the cross-over? I've not been down there for quite some time. It existed for the single-track Croxley Green branch, and so I figured it's days were numbered...and when I checked on Carto Metro it looked removed. Could be wrong... Google maps is really out of date and shows it, and bing maps aren't clear enough, but you can see relaid track. I think it went when they relaid a lot of the track that way a few years back. I walked the branch a couple of weeks ago and the old single track is in place from near the site of the former depot to the missing bridge just before the site of the old Croxley Green station. The track is not in a fit state to be used however the vegetation has been cut back including the tree trunks between the rails I have posted some of the photos on RMweb www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/album/2821-walking-in-the-shoes-of-an-oerlikon-emu/A walk along the old line will soon not be possible as the Croxley Link work starts next year. XF |
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Post by geoffc on Jul 31, 2013 20:12:47 GMT
Are there any plans to use some of the old sidings south of WFJ for the Met or LO . There is an old carriage wash facility on a siding which I assume has long been abandoned which could be brought into use (without the wash ! with space for a least one train . It might add some flexibility - rather than stabling everything at Watford Met. Use of the sidings is unlikely, unless they substantially revise the track layout. The sidings are only directly accessible from platform 6, so would need a double shunt from platforms 1-4, and I believe that they would also be too short for an S8 train. Easy stabling for just one S8 train (or 2 class 378s) would seem to need a lot of money spent for little advantage. To reply to my own question - I have re-read the London Reconnections articles and it implies an earlier Herts CC scheme did include some work at Watford Junction to bring siding(s) into use but at the expense of leaving the two intermediate stations unmanned ( or more precisely with no staff facilities ) . This was vetoed by TfL , so the siding idea was dropped to bring the costs back down and to put all stabling /contingency to Watford Met. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 13:29:43 GMT
occupied at Watford Jct it will only be possible to turn trains back at Harrow & Wealdstone and Rickmanworth (diverted trains ) or even Watford Met! which is less than ideal. Of which is already a pinch point due to some bright spark taking away the two sidings and replacing them with one in the mid 1980s. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 21:00:57 GMT
occupied at Watford Jct it will only be possible to turn trains back at Harrow & Wealdstone and Rickmanworth (diverted trains ) or even Watford Met! which is less than ideal. Of which is already a pinch point due to some bright spark taking away the two sidings and replacing them with one in the mid 1980s. I agree as I think it may have been that LU took over responsibility for that turn-back siding and went for the LU standard configuration. XF |
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Post by pitdiver on Aug 8, 2013 5:03:28 GMT
Could some of the issues mentioned above be resolved when Watford Jct is closed next year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 6:51:14 GMT
Could some of the issues mentioned above be resolved when Watford Jct is closed next year. It would be a great opportunity however a couple of things preclude this - There is a separate budget for the Croxley Link with work at Watford Jct kept to an absolute minimum and the possibility that the DC lines may have some London Midland services diverted over them in the evenings during the current planned work, As has happened many times before, when budgets are tight a less than perfect solution is delivered which causes operational problems for a few years then additional upgrade work has to be carried out which then causes more disruption and ia at amuch higher cost.! Just look at the current DC lines platforms. at Watford Jct which are very basic when compared to other ends of Underground lines. History tells us that getting anything practical done in relation to the Croxley link takes decades. The work on the WCML has become critical and is due to underfunding when the WCML was ungraded a few years ago. Just look at the overhead gantries in this area which are now approaching 50 years old and look it with all the modiifctions for the Pendolinos look like some bodged DIY! As an asiides does anyone else think that Bushey and Oxhey station looks more like Frankensteins lab than electric railway? XF |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 9:40:27 GMT
Nothing wrong with those gantries  Whilst they look a bit archaic, I believe they are still capable of providing overhead tension suitable for 140mph running if NR ever manage to achieve this. For truly antique UK gantries, then some of the equipment from Liverpool St to Shenfield takes some beating. By far the most sinister and antiquated looking stuff I've seen is between Washington DC and New Haven in the USA. Apparently this dates back to the 30s although is still capable of providing 135mph running for their Acela trains. Bushey and Oxhey Station has always been a bit decrepit, especially in the 1980s. The, ruins of the down fast platform, the awful state of the other platforms. I believe the semi fasts used to provide 1 service per day in each direction and clearly tried to put people off using with awful platforms and urine laden walkways. At least nowadays the Station is reasonably presentable overall. |
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Post by mrjrt on Aug 11, 2013 10:54:12 GMT
Bushey and Oxhey Station has always been a bit decrepit, especially in the 1980s. The, ruins of the down fast platform, the awful state of the other platforms. I believe the semi fasts used to provide 1 service per day in each direction and clearly tried to put people off using with awful platforms and urine laden walkways. At least nowadays the Station is reasonably presentable overall. The ideal situation as I see it is to rebuild all the platforms further south, that way you could have step-free ramps up to the platforms and the platforms could be nice and straight on the new DC lines platforms. Moving them back from the viaduct then gives the option for perhaps adding a passing loop or two on the slow lines, reducing the impact of calls at Bushey. With the platforms removed from above it, you could then fix the drainage and fix the frankly awful station subway. |
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Whilst they look a bit archaic, I believe they are still capable of providing overhead tension suitable for 140mph running if NR ever manage to achieve this. For truly antique UK gantries, then some of the equipment from Liverpool St to Shenfield takes some beating. By far the most sinister and antiquated looking stuff I've seen is between Washington DC and New Haven in the USA. Apparently this dates back to the 30s although is still capable of providing 135mph running for their Acela trains. 
