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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 19:39:32 GMT
So today I got the Central to Tottenham Court Road to change for the Northern to go to Colliers Wood, and I was walking down the Northbound/Eastbound platform having got off the Southbound/Westbound train and as I was walking past the train about to leave, I saw that the driver had his shoes off and his feet pressing the buttons on the control desk. He honestly looked like he would've preferred a butler called Jeeves and a chesterfield be present in his cab. How common is this on the Central line/on LU generally?
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Post by jacord on Jun 24, 2013 16:16:18 GMT
I have not seen a driver with his feet up, but have often seen central line drivers reading when coming into Mile end station, most drivers appear to be sitting back with there arms crossed as they pull in. I am no expert but would expect even on ATO lines, that they should be ready on the dead mans handle or do they have foot brakes?. (I am a new member, and am honestly curious and not trying to troll).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 0:30:18 GMT
I have not seen a driver with his feet up, but have often seen central line drivers reading when coming into Mile end station, most drivers appear to be sitting back with there arms crossed as they pull in. I am no expert but would expect even on ATO lines, that they should be ready on the dead mans handle or do they have foot brakes?. (I am a new member, and am honestly curious and not trying to troll). Not sure about the foot brakes, but I would assume that there was some other way of emergency stopping the train. As for the dead mans handle, I am sure (feel free to correct me) that it would only be used when the train is in protected manual mode, otherwise the driver would need to keep their hands on it at all times when using ATO as the handle applies the emergency brake when it is released from the position that it has to be held in. Maybe someone more experienced with the 92 stock could confirm whether they have foot brakes or not. P.S Welcome to the forum! |
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Post by seaeagle on Jun 26, 2013 7:07:38 GMT
I have not seen a driver with his feet up, but have often seen central line drivers reading when coming into Mile end station, most drivers appear to be sitting back with there arms crossed as they pull in. I am no expert but would expect even on ATO lines, that they should be ready on the dead mans handle or do they have foot brakes?. (I am a new member, and am honestly curious and not trying to troll). Not sure about the foot brakes, but I would assume that there was some other way of emergency stopping the train. As for the dead mans handle, I am sure (feel free to correct me) that it would only be used when the train is in protected manual mode, otherwise the driver would need to keep their hands on it at all times when using ATO as the handle applies the emergency brake when it is released from the position that it has to be held in. Maybe someone more experienced with the 92 stock could confirm whether they have foot brakes or not. The deadmans handle is only active when the train is in any kind of manual mode. Cabs have an emergency stop button, does what it says on the tin, can't speak for 92 stock, but on the 09 stock there are two in each cab. No foot brakes, but the T/OP still should be a bit more aware of the example he or she is setting by their actions when in full view of the travelling public. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 14:38:09 GMT
The “Dead Man” is part of the Traction Brake Controller used to operate the train in Coded or Restricted Manual and is mounted on the right of the driving seat. When in ATO the TBC is “stowed” and the dead man is inactive, if the TBC is knocked out of the stowed position while in ATO it activates the emergency brake. There are two emergency brake buttons, one on the “dashboard” in front of the driving seat and the other on the desk under the offside front window but knocking out the TBC is the quickest way to stop the train in a hurry
Regardless even when it ATO we are responsible for the train and should observe the “road” at all times, reading on the front end is a big no-no, anyone stupid enough to do so is risking a quick trip to the TOSMs office, collect your P45, do not pass Go, etc. They'll get no sympathy from me, we get paid all this money not to be stupid, I spent five years on the Dole Queue and have no intention of rejoining it.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 27, 2013 21:18:06 GMT
Haven't seen the "feet up" and "reading the paper" posse for quite some time now. It semmed more common in the early days of ATO. As Aslefshrugged has mentioned, the threat of the P45 has no doubt persuaded people that it's not a good idea.
Very occasionally, you still get the odd driver having a sneaky cigarette. You can smell it coming through the J door. Now that would be an instant sacking if they were caught.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 22:47:52 GMT
Very occasionally, you still get the odd driver having a sneaky cigarette. You can smell it coming through the J door. Now that would be an instant sacking if they were caught. You just know that there's one really stupid driver that does it in a tunneled section and sets off a fire alarm of some type |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 7:26:44 GMT
Very occasionally, you still get the odd driver having a sneaky cigarette. You can smell it coming through the J door. Now that would be an instant sacking if they were caught. You just know that there's one really stupid driver that does it in a tunneled section and sets off a fire alarm of some type If you smell something burning on a train you should pull down the emergency handle and report it to the driver......... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 20:21:39 GMT
Something I've seen more than once is two or three people in the cab as it pulls in to a station, laughing and talking, looking anywhere but ahead. Another thing I saw once on the Bakerloo was three people in the cab, one of whom was a child - the other adult may have been staff but wasn't in uniform - again, chatting away with only brief looks ahead as the train pulled in.
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 3, 2013 12:45:41 GMT
If you see something that you feel is unsafe report it. I cant comment on the Bakerloo, but on the Central there is a lot of of trainee drivers ready for TT67 in September. As there is a rush for certain moves, there can be 2 or 3 trainees in the cab all viewing the road.
I think,apart from promotional T.ops there are 5 cross transfers. 3 from the Piccadilly and 2 from the Bakerloo.
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