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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 10:41:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 12:48:31 GMT
What a disappointment, I won't be getting one!
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Post by metman on May 9, 2013 17:29:39 GMT
Waste of time. Was one ever in this livery?
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Post by christopher125 on May 9, 2013 18:06:11 GMT
Was one ever in this livery? Not prior to the next Steam on the Met, that's for sure. Chris |
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Post by domh245 on May 9, 2013 18:13:17 GMT
Did the numbering ever get as high as L150?
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Post by Tom on May 9, 2013 21:52:26 GMT
What a disappointment, I won't be getting one! XF Nor me. It would be nice if just for a change the LTM did some research into their past (which is what they're there for I'd have thought) and commissioned something accurate rather than another pretty cash cow for the gullible with money to burn. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 1:44:10 GMT
It' s a Praire Dog !
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Post by metroland on May 10, 2013 9:06:34 GMT
What a disappointment, I won't be getting one! XF Nor me. It would be nice if just for a change the LTM did some research into their past (which is what they're there for I'd have thought) and commissioned something accurate rather than another pretty cash cow for the gullible with money to burn. When you say commissioned do you realise we're looking at a ball park figure of £80k for a new model? Am not sure a museum (LT or otherwise) would find it easy to establish a business case. (Dapol do commissions for various retailers etc and the £80k is a publicly quoted figure from them as to the kind of up-front figure they would need for a project which wasn't one of their own commercial ventures) |
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Post by railtechnician on May 10, 2013 12:04:07 GMT
Nor me. It would be nice if just for a change the LTM did some research into their past (which is what they're there for I'd have thought) and commissioned something accurate rather than another pretty cash cow for the gullible with money to burn. When you say commissioned do you realise we're looking at a ball park figure of £80k for a new model? Am not sure a museum (LT or otherwise) would find it easy to establish a business case. (Dapol do commissions for various retailers etc and the £80k is a publicly quoted figure from them as to the kind of up-front figure they would need for a project which wasn't one of their own commercial ventures) £80K is a lot but to a degree one gets what one pays for. Looking at some of the items created by amateurs using 3D printing I would expect a commercial enterprise to be able to produce a 3D printed model of almost any LUL related rolling stock for far less than that. Obviously one has to take into account the cost of machinery and tooling but commercial 3D printing is far cheaper in terms of outlay compared to more traditional methods of manufacture. 3D printing should actually force a drop in the retail prices of many items in the modelling, medical, general household and all sorts of other areas just as the use of plastics did. 3D printing is still in its infancy but it will not be too long before it replaces traditional manufacturing methods in a big way such is the rate of innovation and invention. Of course we do live in rip-off Britain where almost everything is more expensive than need be because the market will stand it and so many people love spending money even if they haven't got it! As ever the question of cost really comes down to the amount of detail in a model, rivet counters must have deep pockets, I think most are unconcerned at things that are unnoticeable without a magnifying glass so as the saying goes 'ya pays ya money and ya makes ya choice'. |
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Post by metroland on May 10, 2013 15:11:53 GMT
I think for us modellers 3D holds great potential and as you say cost should come down and quality go up dramatically. However for sales in say the LT Museum shop, they are going to have to stick with die-cast adn injection moulded stuff as they're basically selling 'toys' which need to be capable of rough handling and of 'merchantable quality' Delicate 3D bodies should be ok for us modellers as we never mis-treat things do we?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 19:15:17 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 10, 2013 20:15:08 GMT
Did the numbering ever get as high as L150? L150/151 was the former '38 Stock weed killing train. |
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Post by railtechnician on May 11, 2013 11:05:47 GMT
I think for us modellers 3D holds great potential and as you say cost should come down and quality go up dramatically. However for sales in say the LT Museum shop, they are going to have to stick with die-cast adn injection moulded stuff as they're basically selling 'toys' which need to be capable of rough handling and of 'merchantable quality' Delicate 3D bodies should be ok for us modellers as we never mis-treat things do we? There is no reason why 3D printed models could not be roughly handled, as in all things the important thing is what anything is made of and 3D printers can use many materials including metal alloys. Apparently 3D printing is set to revolutionise dentistry, surgery and other professions with custom made parts in many hard wearing materials. I expect the LTM will stock whatever sells well for a reasonable return and of course 3D printing will increase output substantially. It is already mooted that in the not too distant future a 3D printer will be a standard appliance in the home as computers are today and that it will not be long before mobile 3D printers are available to make running repairs on the move by manufacturing one off spares as required. I would imagine that in less than 10 years determined modellers will be designing and producing their own models using 3D printing on their own 3D printers! |
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Post by rincew1nd on May 11, 2013 11:22:52 GMT
My brother is an Engineer and his firm uses 3D printing for rapid prototyping. Last week I had the chance to play with one of his products, a fully functioning gearbox to be used in a French hydro-electric scheme. No assembly, he just clicked print.
It was all quite robust, with no lubricant I wasable to operate the gearbox with no need to be gentle. Small things can be made robustly, but it all comes down to cost unfortunately. I recently wanted some large plastic letters for a pattern, cost per letter when 3D printed was about £25-30, I ended up using older tech and got them for a tenth of the cost.
Give it time though, it has already been possible to print a liver for a rat.
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Post by pauluni on Aug 3, 2013 22:12:36 GMT
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 4, 2013 9:44:23 GMT
...although it's been in the LTM shop for at least a week - I got mine last Wednesday! :-)
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Post by 1018509 on Aug 4, 2013 23:51:56 GMT
It's a Prairie therefore it is wonderful - end of.
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Post by pauluni on Oct 14, 2013 22:50:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 10:39:14 GMT
Looks like it going to be expensive November, Just hope the wife dont see them lol.
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Post by metroland on Oct 21, 2013 18:27:21 GMT
Looks like it going to be expensive November, Just hope the wife dont see them lol. Wives are like mothers they always see the things you don't want them to see.......  |
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Post by John Tuthill on Oct 21, 2013 18:35:13 GMT
Looks like it going to be expensive November, Just hope the wife dont see them lol. Wives are like mothers they always see the things you don't want them to see....... And when they do, there are two responses, it's either: "And how old are you?", or "HOW MUCH??!!" (I speak from experience)  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 21, 2013 20:50:50 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Oct 21, 2013 20:56:15 GMT
"HOW MUCH?  Fine, but I get first go" |
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Post by compsci on Oct 22, 2013 13:10:15 GMT
Think how much money you could save with a museum friends discount. It's 10% on most items, but 20% on some, including e.g. A stock luggage racks. Not sure which category models fall into.
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Post by bassmike on Oct 27, 2013 12:16:55 GMT
Just noticed that Model Railways direct are showing a Bachmann engineers train set to be introduced later featuring Met 100 loco plus wagons.
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Fine, but I get first go" 
