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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 16:29:39 GMT
This is my first post, so please be gentle with me!
I have trawled through numerous threads since I joined a couple of weeks ago in order to try and find out the basis for mileage measurements on the Metropolitan Railway prior to World War 1. I am specifically interested in the line from Baker Street northwards and a visit to Kew last week to look at WTT's and other material (RAIL 959/10 and RAIL1005/36) appears to indicate that Baker Street Junction was the zero point for the mileposts on the lines I am interested in.
Is this correct, please?
Andy
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Post by castlebar on Apr 3, 2013 16:38:36 GMT
Very good question.
Someone will no doubt answer soon, but it begs a separate, linked question.
It seems to me that the GC started there mileage in Sheffield and worked south, so on the lines that are now Chiltern, there are/were some mileposts around "190" and these increased as they got closer to Baker Street/Marylebone. (It is a v long time since I've been around there co cannot confirm if the current Chiltern mileage works in the same way the Met did.) So, to supplement andyrush's question, how did these mileage's operate on shared routes with the G.C. & Met running together, and were there any discrepancies in fares??
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Post by metman on Apr 3, 2013 17:20:38 GMT
I believe the milage is taken from Baker Street in the north direction, but can't confirm the GC method. I'm sure the milage will be somewhere. I think some of the old mileage posts remain on the Met. MRFS may know....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 18:17:59 GMT
Very good question. Someone will no doubt answer soon, but it begs a separate, linked question. It seems to me that the GC started there mileage in Sheffield and worked south, so on the lines that are now Chiltern, there are/were some mileposts around "190" and these increased as they got closer to Baker Street/Marylebone. (It is a v long time since I've been around there co cannot confirm if the current Chiltern mileage works in the same way the Met did.) So, to supplement andyrush's question, how did these mileage's operate on shared routes with the G.C. & Met running together, and were there any discrepancies in fares?? I don't have a problem with GC mileage, it started at Manchester London Road (later Piccadilly), but GC mileposts don't seem to have been used until after Ardwick Junction at 0m 52ch; Marylebone buffer stops were and are at 205m 77ch. I notice that Quail quotes LUL kilometres and ex GC miles and chains all the way through to Mantles Wood junction from the Kilburn area, but are there two sets of 'mile' posts? And to go back to my original query, was there in the past? Andy |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 19:59:42 GMT
My understanding is that the Met 'Extension Line' - including Met & GC Joint sections - used mileages from Baker Street, through to Verney Junction.
The GC used (as stated) mileages from Manchester (London Road as was) for its own lines - via its mainline to Quainton Road, and resuming at Harrow for its line into Marylebone; and also on the branch from Grendon Underwood down to Ashendon Junction (where it joined the GWR). But the Northolt - Neasden section has its own sequence (from Northolt Jcn).
Network Rail still uses these mileages.
From Mantles Wood to Harrow is LU, with distances in kilometres based on Ongar: while new 200m posts were put up when the system was introduced, there was no programme to remove the old mileposts, which largely survive.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 3, 2013 22:03:08 GMT
I do - sort of. Can't comment on the existence of old mileposts, but I have somewhere seen a zero point noted at Baker Street, and I have gradient profiles in the Met. Sectional Appendix; I shall try and dig it out on the morrow.
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Post by metrailway on Apr 4, 2013 1:20:01 GMT
I have always thought that the Met&GC Joint line used mileage from Baker Street and not Marylebone.
A large number of the old mileposts still exist. The most obvious one I can remember is at Willesden Green platform 1 where a milepost is in very good condition. There are several (LT?) mileposts beside the NB main between Harrow and Watford South Junction. Presumably these date from the time when that part was four tracked. I'm also certain that there are several more older Met mileposts north of Ricky.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 10:37:51 GMT
I do - sort of. Can't comment on the existence of old mileposts, but I have somewhere seen a zero point noted at Baker Street, and I have gradient profiles in the Met. Sectional Appendix; I shall try and dig it out on the morrow. Thank you for that. Is there a 'pre kilometre period' Metropolitan WTT Appendix in a publicly accessible archive anywhere? I drew a blank at Kew and the LMA doesn't seem to list anything (or I missed it!). Or large scale track surveys? Andy |
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 4, 2013 10:42:14 GMT
PM me your email address - I've found a copy of the 1921 gradients in electronic form, with a chain scale.
Not sure about large scale track surveys, I've seen plenty but none of the Met pre-LPTB.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 12:06:50 GMT
I have always thought that the Met&GC Joint line used mileage from Baker Street and not Marylebone. A large number of the old mileposts still exist. The most obvious one I can remember is at Willesden Green platform 1 where a milepost is in very good condition. There are several (LT?) mileposts beside the NB main between Harrow and Watford South Junction. Presumably these date from the time when that part was four tracked. I'm also certain that there are several more older Met mileposts north of Ricky. What does the milepost on Willesden Green platform read, please? |
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Post by metrailway on Apr 4, 2013 15:14:37 GMT
I have always thought that the Met&GC Joint line used mileage from Baker Street and not Marylebone. A large number of the old mileposts still exist. The most obvious one I can remember is at Willesden Green platform 1 where a milepost is in very good condition. There are several (LT?) mileposts beside the NB main between Harrow and Watford South Junction. Presumably these date from the time when that part was four tracked. I'm also certain that there are several more older Met mileposts north of Ricky. What does the milepost on Willesden Green platform read, please? The milepost states: M
4 The best photo (not mine) I can find online is:  Platform 1 at Willesden Green by barbaracassani, on Flickr |
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