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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 31, 2007 12:03:43 GMT
Are there any dimensioned drawings available of CSLR locomotives out there? I'm considering building a model of one of the Mather and Platt engines. Any help or suggestions gratefully recieved.
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Post by CSLR on Mar 31, 2007 12:36:28 GMT
I might be able to help. What scale are you working to?
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 31, 2007 13:17:17 GMT
Initially 4mm/ft, though might scale up to 16mm/ft. I can happily scale up/down drawings. I'd be really grateful for any help - I've been searching through the published material and the web for ages. The only thing that seems to be of much use at the moment is the side section from 'Engineering' - though that's dimensionless.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 1, 2007 21:06:35 GMT
I am afraid that the original works drawings of these locomotives were destroyed when the Beyer Peacock works were cleared out (Beyer Peacock built the bodies and Mather & Platt added the electrical equipment). Off the top of my head, Edward Hopkinson included an end elevation of the Mather & Platt locomotive in the published proceedings of a talk that he gave to the Institute of Civil Engineers in February 1893 - this will go with your Engineering side elevation. In addition Model Railway Constructor published 4mm drawings of an M&P locomotive and an Ashbury carriage in their November or December 1970 edition. I will check these references for you tomorrow and also post main dimensions for the locomotive so that you can scale the drawings. I have several notebooks of measurements taken from locomotive no.13, so I can confirm any details that you wish to check.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2007 0:27:23 GMT
Has it not been possible to use the one remaining C&SLR loco at the LTM Acton to create a new set of drawings?
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Post by CSLR on Apr 2, 2007 8:53:59 GMT
Has it not been possible to use the one remaining C&SLR loco at the LTM Acton to create a new set of drawings? It is possible to create a set of drawings from the remaining locomotive and anyone is free to do so, however, that is not my main priority. Such drawings would simply be another way of recording a locomotive that still survives and which was 'preserved' in the 1920s in a condition that attempted to give it an appearance something like original. Although most of the Mather & Platt production locomotives were rebuilt with new electrical equipment and motors, this is one of only two that was not; but it was withdrawn from service and cannibalised for parts for something like 10-12 years. This means that it was neither in original or withdrawn condition when an attempt was made to save it. To say that the methods of 'restoration' used on it were basic would be an overstatement. These appear to have been based on whatever the restorers though was right, rather than any thorough research on their part. Luckily, the electrical equipment was not interchangeable with the rebuilt locomotives so much of it appears to have survived, although some replacement parts were probably recreated using a degree of guesswork. There will also be some service modifications that will now be seen. It almost certainly never ran in this exact condition and is effectively a pastiche - although less so than many preserved locomotives. The contemporary drawings that I referred to are therefore a more accurate record of what was built, while the 1970 MRC drawing is based on the surviving locomotive. For me, the real value of a set of drawings of the LTM loco would be to compare them with contemporary drawings as a means of assessing some of the differences between the original locomotives and what we now see.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 2, 2007 10:23:04 GMT
In addition Model Railway Constructor published 4mm drawings of an M&P locomotive and an Ashbury carriage in their November or December 1970 edition. I will check these references for you tomorrow and also post main dimensions for the locomotive so that you can scale the drawings. I have several notebooks of measurements taken from locomotive no.13, so I can confirm any details that you wish to check. Thank you for the MRC reference - <wanders off downstairs to chat to the Duty Controller in between shunting engines around> - he claims to be 'almost certain' to have a copy of that magazine. ;D He'll have a look for me when he's finished running the railway.
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Post by CSLR on Apr 2, 2007 11:13:15 GMT
The end elevation of the Mather & Platt locomotive was reprinted in Railway World of August 1893. This is a little easier to find than the Proceedings of the Institute of Civil Engineers.
Main dimensions of the locomotives were:- Overall length - 14' 0" Length over cab - 10' 0" Width of cab - 6' 3" Wheel base - 6' 0" Wheel diameter - 2' 3" Overall height from rail level - 8' 51/4"
This should help to scale any drawings.
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